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Post by Draz on Mar 30, 2016 22:52:22 GMT
Be nice.
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Mar 30, 2016 23:55:04 GMT
Donating money to a candidate is like a self imposed tax on political views.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 1:20:50 GMT
Donating money to a candidate is like a self imposed tax on political views. wow bernie such a tax guy |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 2:05:52 GMT
Donating money to a candidate is like a self imposed tax on political views. Lmao |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 2:57:36 GMT
I can't take a guy serious with the name bernie at the age 90
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Post by dunksby on Mar 31, 2016 14:49:10 GMT
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Post by dunksby on Mar 31, 2016 15:03:46 GMT
Backlash over Trump's abortion comments grows as rivals pounceThis Mfer is running the biggest populist campaign in memory 
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Post by dunksby on Mar 31, 2016 15:04:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 15:15:20 GMT
Trump is so damn stupid. He is fully incapable of thinking before he speaks
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 31, 2016 15:48:14 GMT
This is basically 9er running for President.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 16:10:43 GMT
It really doesn't matter though. His approval amongst women has basically been between 20-30% for months (even in Wisconsin he's still in the low 30s) His base has always , and will always, be males just because more females are Democrats while more males are Republicans.
Basing this off the latest 538 podcast (Silver breaks it down on how this won't matter that much), he can say whatever he wants about women since that's not gonna lose him many, if any, more voters. Because the ones he has are with him till the end because they like the vast majority of his craziness.
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Post by dunksby on Mar 31, 2016 18:03:25 GMT
It really doesn't matter though. His approval amongst women has basically been between 20-30% for months (even in Wisconsin he's still in the low 30s) His base has always , and will always, be males just because more females are Democrats while more males are Republicans. Basing this off the latest 538 podcast (Silver breaks it down on how this won't matter that much), he can say whatever he wants about women since that's not gonna lose him many, if any, more voters. Because the ones he has are with him till the end because they like the vast majority of his craziness. That's a very simplistic view, not everybody who supports Trump is lost and crazy, he will lose voters because of this and any other stupid thing he says, and considering he needs to win all the delegate race outright to get nominated; he cannot afford any of this. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 18:12:54 GMT
It really doesn't matter though. His approval amongst women has basically been between 20-30% for months (even in Wisconsin he's still in the low 30s) His base has always , and will always, be males just because more females are Democrats while more males are Republicans. Basing this off the latest 538 podcast (Silver breaks it down on how this won't matter that much), he can say whatever he wants about women since that's not gonna lose him many, if any, more voters. Because the ones he has are with him till the end because they like the vast majority of his craziness. That's a very simplistic view, not everybody who supports Trump is lost and crazy, he will lose voters because of this and any other stupid thing he says, and considering he needs to win all the delegate race outright to get nominated; he cannot afford any of this. Apparently you don't remember the last 7-8 months very well. This is what he does he says outlandish shit repeatedly and still gets votes. Hell usually even more voters than before. He's said WAY worse things than this and it hasn't stopped him before. Like calling all Mexican drug dealers and racists, or just about anything he's said about Muslims. The Megyn Kelly degradation etc etc. And I would say that almost everyone, at least 90%, of his voters are completely lost and crazy by any stretch. He might or might not win it outright still, and even if he doesn't the Republicans have a major issue if they don't nominate him. They're going to risk fracturing the party if he's close, and they don't nominate him. Plus they still don't have a good candidate to put up there. Nobody wanted Bush or Rubio so they can't go establishment. Cruz and Kasich are almost certainly going to lose outright. Ryan is as unelectable as you or I. Mittens is well....maybe. That's the safe candidate but they also run the risk of proving Trump's base right. Again 20-30% on a guy with a high floor already, isn't going to affect him much. Yeah he'll probably lose Wisconsin but that's because he was never really leading there anyway. And last week's polls had him 5-10% behind. When New York votes in a couple weeks, he'll have already said something new and ridiculously outlandish by then that will have every in a tizzy. There's way less at stake for him saying this than what you think. |
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Apr 1, 2016 1:42:54 GMT
It really doesn't matter though. His approval amongst women has basically been between 20-30% for months (even in Wisconsin he's still in the low 30s) His base has always , and will always, be males just because more females are Democrats while more males are Republicans. Basing this off the latest 538 podcast (Silver breaks it down on how this won't matter that much), he can say whatever he wants about women since that's not gonna lose him many, if any, more voters. Because the ones he has are with him till the end because they like the vast majority of his craziness. I told you like a week ago abortion isnt a womens issue. Its divided 50/50 for both men and women. This idea that men are the ones making "right to life" or whatever the fuck its called an issue is patently false. Beyond that, either way married women will continue to vote rep while single women will continue to vote dem. Even beyond that, it doesnt matter because trump cant win. Wouldnt surprise me if Clinton went 50-0 against him. Well, unless somehow she goes to jail and bernard runs. |
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Apr 1, 2016 1:45:30 GMT
Also one problem with trumps base that no one mentions is they arent really republican. Hes drawing in a ton of former democrats and independents. I mean, theyre probably still mostly republicans, but his base isnt the usual republican base and most of what he says is not really anything historical republicans want to hear or care about.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 1:46:30 GMT
Also one problem with trumps base that no one mentions is they arent really republican. Hes drawing in a ton of former democrats and independents. I mean, theyre probably still mostly republicans, but his base isnt the usual republican base and most of what he says is not really anything historical republicans want to hear or care about. this is very on point. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 1:53:35 GMT
which makes me happy. fuck the republican party and fuck the democratic party. the further away we get from these dumbass party allegiances the better off the country will be
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Post by bladefd on Apr 1, 2016 5:45:05 GMT
I don't understand why some states have closed primaries/caucuses. I live in NJ and we have closed primaries. As an independent, I get 0 say in the primaries. I refuse to join a party and lose my independent status because I do not support the 2 party system. Never have, never will. I vote by the individual rather than the party.
Just something that irritates me very much.
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Post by dunksby on Apr 1, 2016 8:13:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 12:43:43 GMT
I dont get it.. of course they should be punished if it is illegal to abort, I don't get whats wrong with that statement.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 14:47:38 GMT
I don't understand why some states have closed primaries/caucuses. I live in NJ and we have closed primaries. As an independent, I get 0 say in the primaries. I refuse to join a party and lose my independent status because I do not support the 2 party system. Never have, never will. I vote by the individual rather than the party. Just something that irritates me very much. The main argument is to prevent party-hopping and "why should anybody but a (insert republican or democrat) be able to vote in (insert repbulican or democrat) primary" |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 18:52:58 GMT
It really doesn't matter though. His approval amongst women has basically been between 20-30% for months (even in Wisconsin he's still in the low 30s) His base has always , and will always, be males just because more females are Democrats while more males are Republicans. Basing this off the latest 538 podcast (Silver breaks it down on how this won't matter that much), he can say whatever he wants about women since that's not gonna lose him many, if any, more voters. Because the ones he has are with him till the end because they like the vast majority of his craziness. I told you like a week ago abortion isnt a womens issue. Its divided 50/50 for both men and women. This idea that men are the ones making "right to life" or whatever the fuck its called an issue is patently false. Beyond that, either way married women will continue to vote rep while single women will continue to vote dem. Even beyond that, it doesnt matter because trump cant win. Wouldnt surprise me if Clinton went 50-0 against him. Well, unless somehow she goes to jail and bernard runs. Your post has nothing to do with what I said  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 18:57:46 GMT
Also one problem with trumps base that no one mentions is they arent really republican. Hes drawing in a ton of former democrats and independents. I mean, theyre probably still mostly republicans, but his base isnt the usual republican base and most of what he says is not really anything historical republicans want to hear or care about. Very true, all those from democrats/independents from traditionally blue states such as: Nevada, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Virginia, Kentucky and Louisiana. Very strong democratic states VERY blue. Deep blue. Dark Blue. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 19:13:05 GMT
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Apr 1, 2016 19:28:34 GMT
You cant say this
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and then this
The fact that 40% of male republicans and 47% of women can't see themselves voting for him says a lot about his base.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 19:31:42 GMT
You cant say this . and then this The fact that 40% of male republicans and 47% of women can't see themselves voting for him says a lot about his base. My point is that Democrats in those states who "lean" Republican are actually Republicans. Hence why only Virginia (and only barely really) is a toss up state, and the rest are a nice deep crimson red color of states. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 19:32:55 GMT
Also you ignored the first quote from that article.
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Apr 1, 2016 19:41:42 GMT
I don't agree. There is definitely a big base of democrats (and independents) who are drowned out in their party and find appeal in Trump (and to a lesser degree sanders) when they spout out a bunch of anti immigration anti corporate and other populist bullshit. There is a certain fringe in both parties that has much more in common with each other than the center of either parties.
The democrats are more and more a party of identity politics, and trump scoops up the people that pushes away while continuing to promote the mostly regressive re-distributive ideals that someone like Sanders represents, or at the very least he isn't outwardly opposed to them like the more classic republican candidate.
In other words he just says whatever is popular regardless of it's ideological inconsistency and this appeals to a fringe in each party which thinks the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 19:49:15 GMT
I don't agree. There is definitely a big base of democrats (and independents) who are drowned out in their party and find appeal in Trump (and to a lesser degree sanders) when they spout out a bunch of anti immigration anti corporate and other populist bullshit. There is a certain fringe in both parties that has much more in common with each other than the center of either parties. The democrats are more and more a party of identity politics, and trump scoops up the people that pushes away while continuing to promote the mostly regressive re-distributive ideals that someone like Sanders represents, or at the very least he isn't outwardly opposed to them like the more classic republican candidate. In other words he just says whatever is popular regardless of it's ideological inconsistency and this appeals to a fringe in each party which thinks the same way. "I don't like these numbers/articles so I disagree with them" Do I think there's some Democrats that are voting for him? Probably and I think most of those are the southern """"democrats""""".And whatever actual democrats are voting for him is such a small number since...He's not winning blacks, he's not winning educated whites, he's obviously not winning women, he's not winning Latinos by any large number. He's winning The religious whites and uneducated whites, and a small subset of female voters. The only one of those that is a democratic base is ... agree on the fringe parties thing though. |
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Apr 1, 2016 20:00:02 GMT
I don't agree. There is definitely a big base of democrats (and independents) who are drowned out in their party and find appeal in Trump (and to a lesser degree sanders) when they spout out a bunch of anti immigration anti corporate and other populist bullshit. There is a certain fringe in both parties that has much more in common with each other than the center of either parties. The democrats are more and more a party of identity politics, and trump scoops up the people that pushes away while continuing to promote the mostly regressive re-distributive ideals that someone like Sanders represents, or at the very least he isn't outwardly opposed to them like the more classic republican candidate. In other words he just says whatever is popular regardless of it's ideological inconsistency and this appeals to a fringe in each party which thinks the same way. "I don't like these numbers/articles so I disagree with them" Do I think there's some Democrats that are voting for him? Probably and I think most of those are the southern """"democrats""""".And whatever actual democrats are voting for him is such a small number since...He's not winning blacks, he's not winning educated whites, he's obviously not winning women, he's not winning Latinos by any large number. He's The religious whites and uneducated whites, and a small subset of female voters. The only one of those that is a democratic base is blacks. agree on the fringe parties thing though. You're acting like either parties just dominate their blocks. The only group that almost monolithically votes one way is blacks. Whites vote a majority republican, but its still only in the 50-70% range Latins vote majority dem but its still only in the 50-70% range. Nothing in that article counters what I said, but the fact that groups that have never voted in the republican primaries before make up a huge swath of trump voters certainly seems to reinforce my point though. |
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