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Post by jimmymcadocious on Apr 19, 2016 21:22:26 GMT
Crawford really benefited from Blake's injury, imo. Gave him the opportunity for a nice late push in close race which he took advantage of.
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Post by althornton on Apr 19, 2016 21:37:02 GMT
^haters
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 21:48:57 GMT
I've always liked Crawford so I ain't mad
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Post by Suguru101 on Apr 20, 2016 2:09:52 GMT
So are you just being biased or you truly believe Iguodala deserved didn't deserve it? I'm pretty sure if the Clips were to get Iguodala for Jamal in a trade you'd jizz yourself.
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Post by althornton on Apr 20, 2016 2:13:18 GMT
So are you just being biased or you truly believe Iguodala deserved didn't deserve it? I'm pretty sure if the Clips were to get Iguodala for Jamal in a trade you'd jizz yourself. i mean if iguodala wants an award he has to average more than 6 points a game
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Apr 20, 2016 2:24:55 GMT
What about Kanter? How is Crawford a better candidate than him?
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Post by ballup on Apr 20, 2016 3:28:30 GMT
I don't get how being on a bad team/worse team hurts you winning an individual award. A good sixth man doesn't carry a team into relevancy.
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Post by Last Stand on Apr 20, 2016 3:33:24 GMT
I don't get how being on a bad team/worse team hurts you winning an individual award. A good sixth man doesn't carry a team into relevancy. Being on a bad/worse team does effect certain individual awards. If anything, Sixth Man shows that criteria is only relevant for a player on a team that makes the playoffs and raw stats.
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Post by ballup on Apr 20, 2016 3:38:55 GMT
I don't get how being on a bad team/worse team hurts you winning an individual award. A good sixth man doesn't carry a team into relevancy. Being on a bad/worse team does effect certain individual awards. If anything, Sixth Man shows that criteria is only relevant for a player on a team that makes the playoffs and raw stats. I get it does. But why would a voter think it should?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 10:54:03 GMT
Being on a bad/worse team does effect certain individual awards. If anything, Sixth Man shows that criteria is only relevant for a player on a team that makes the playoffs and raw stats. I get it does. But why would a voter think it should? It's easier to put up 15 on a garbage team in 25 minutes a game (Barton) than it is to put up 15 on a good team in 25 minutes when you're a sixth man. Not saying it should be a default part of the criteria, but it definitely should be an important factor. What made Barbosa so amazing a decade ago was that on a team with Amare, Marion, and Nash he was a threat to put up 20 every night off the bench. Same with Manu, Harden, Odom, Jr Smith that year the Knicks were good, etc. Jamal going off for 15-20 isn't really that much of a boon since they aren't as valuable as a guy like Kanter or Iggy who both teams play at a clearly higher level and those guys play integral parts.
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Post by ballup on Apr 20, 2016 11:28:45 GMT
I get it does. But why would a voter think it should? It's easier to put up 15 on a garbage team in 25 minutes a game (Barton) than it is to put up 15 on a good team in 25 minutes when you're a sixth man. Not saying it should be a default part of the criteria, but it definitely should be an important factor. What made Barbosa so amazing a decade ago was that on a team with Amare, Marion, and Nash he was a threat to put up 20 every night off the bench. Same with Manu, Harden, Odom, Jr Smith that year the Knicks were good, etc. Jamal going off for 15-20 isn't really that much of a boon since they aren't as valuable as a guy like Kanter or Iggy who both teams play at a clearly higher level and those guys play integral parts. Sounds lazy to me to use that as context for voting Crawford over Barton if you are basing it on stats first. Good stats, bad team makes sense if you want to evaluate how good a player is, but does that context hold as much weight when players like Jamal have the green light too? When you have guys who score 15+ ppg efficiently and dynamically on a good team, the award makes sense, but Crawford didn't even have a greater overall statline than guys like Barton and Kanter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 11:51:57 GMT
It's easier to put up 15 on a garbage team in 25 minutes a game (Barton) than it is to put up 15 on a good team in 25 minutes when you're a sixth man. Not saying it should be a default part of the criteria, but it definitely should be an important factor. What made Barbosa so amazing a decade ago was that on a team with Amare, Marion, and Nash he was a threat to put up 20 every night off the bench. Same with Manu, Harden, Odom, Jr Smith that year the Knicks were good, etc. Jamal going off for 15-20 isn't really that much of a boon since they aren't as valuable as a guy like Kanter or Iggy who both teams play at a clearly higher level and those guys play integral parts. Sounds lazy to me to use that as context for voting Crawford over Barton if you are basing it on stats first. Good stats, bad team makes sense if you want to evaluate how good a player is, but does that context hold as much weight when players like Jamal have the green light too? When you have guys who score 15+ ppg efficiently and dynamically on a good team, the award makes sense, but Crawford didn't even have a greater overall statline than guys like Barton and Kanter. I agree with you I'm just saying that's why he didn't finish higher
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Post by ballup on Apr 20, 2016 12:08:20 GMT
Another award announcement should be coming out today around 11 AM EST. Sounds lazy to me to use that as context for voting Crawford over Barton if you are basing it on stats first. Good stats, bad team makes sense if you want to evaluate how good a player is, but does that context hold as much weight when players like Jamal have the green light too? When you have guys who score 15+ ppg efficiently and dynamically on a good team, the award makes sense, but Crawford didn't even have a greater overall statline than guys like Barton and Kanter. I agree with you I'm just saying that's why he didn't finish higher Glad you do as always my alt
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Post by dm on Apr 20, 2016 18:02:13 GMT
What award was the announcement for?
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Post by WayOfWad3 on Apr 20, 2016 18:10:47 GMT
What about Kanter? How is Crawford a better candidate than him? I was thinking this, Crawford isn't very efficient at all it seems whereas Kanter is. I'm not too versed on their stats and what not but I understand that te Thunder had a better record and that Kanter was much more consistent. How is Jamal's defense though? That might've played a factor
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Post by ballup on Apr 20, 2016 20:23:20 GMT
What award was the announcement for? Failed prediction. Last year, the NBA announced individual awards daily around 11 AM at the end of April.
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Apr 20, 2016 20:31:45 GMT
What about Kanter? How is Crawford a better candidate than him? I was thinking this, Crawford isn't very efficient at all it seems whereas Kanter is. I'm not too versed on their stats and what not but I understand that te Thunder had a better record and that Kanter was much more consistent. How is Jamal's defense though? That might've played a factor I certainly don't think Jamal's defense is impactful enough to overcome Kanter's one sided play. Kanter has more points, more rebounds vs Crawford in assists, and better efficiency.
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Post by ballup on Apr 22, 2016 14:27:43 GMT
CJ is MIP.
Kemba got 2nd place. Giannis got 3rd
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Apr 22, 2016 14:47:19 GMT
CJ is MIP. Kemba got 2nd place. Giannis got 3rd Kemba over giannis!? The hell
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Post by ballup on Apr 22, 2016 14:51:27 GMT
CJ is MIP. Kemba got 2nd place. Giannis got 3rd Kemba over giannis!? The hell Kemba became a 3 point shooter this season and was near consideration for the ASG. Improving your FG% by 4% is huge too.
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Post by WayOfWad3 on Apr 22, 2016 18:23:16 GMT
That just reminds me of all the articles I read of people seriously debating that Curry should win the MIP award this year. Thank goodness he didn't, although I believe Draymond Green got robbed of the DPOY award, based purely off of Kawhi's reputation
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Post by Buck on Apr 22, 2016 18:57:29 GMT
CJ is MIP. Kemba got 2nd place. Giannis got 3rd Kemba over giannis!? The hell Giannis took a massive step forward in the 2nd half of the season when he became a point forward, but it took a while. What he did post ASB would've been far and away MIP worthy if we went to it from the start, which is why I think he wins it next year.
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Apr 22, 2016 19:12:31 GMT
Kemba over giannis!? The hell Kemba became a 3 point shooter this season and was near consideration for the ASG. Improving your FG% by 4% is huge too. True, but his FG% was piss poor last season at 38.5%, so it's easier to make up the discrepancy. He did have more threes, so I guess I can overlook that. Kemba over giannis!? The hell Giannis took a massive step forward in the 2nd half of the season when he became a point forward, but it took a while. What he did post ASB would've been far and away MIP worthy if we went to it from the start, which is why I think he wins it next year. How are they going to fit MCW into this equation? He's a terrible catch and shoot player, so his offball game really needs some heavy work if they want to make Giannis the point forward (best course of action for the Bucks). They could rely on his cutting, but I don't know how good he is at that.
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Post by Buck on Apr 22, 2016 19:22:04 GMT
Kemba became a 3 point shooter this season and was near consideration for the ASG. Improving your FG% by 4% is huge too. True, but his FG% was piss poor last season at 38.5%, so it's easier to make up the discrepancy. He did have more threes, so I guess I can overlook that. Giannis took a massive step forward in the 2nd half of the season when he became a point forward, but it took a while. What he did post ASB would've been far and away MIP worthy if we went to it from the start, which is why I think he wins it next year. How are they going to fit MCW into this equation? He's a terrible catch and shoot player, so his offball game really needs some heavy work if they want to make Giannis the point forward (best course of action for the Bucks). They could rely on his cutting, but I don't know how good he is at that. If it were up to me he'd f*ck off, but he's a close friend of Giannis so idk if he gets traded. But I think Kidd now accepts that he sucks offensively and doesn't work with the trio, if he stays he should be a defense/hustle guy off the bench, a dumber Tony Allen. Bucks guys have been talking a lot about finding a legit 3&D type PG, a Bucks poster on another board with an inside source said they're really high on Delly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 5:24:25 GMT
True, but his FG% was piss poor last season at 38.5%, so it's easier to make up the discrepancy. He did have more threes, so I guess I can overlook that. How are they going to fit MCW into this equation? He's a terrible catch and shoot player, so his offball game really needs some heavy work if they want to make Giannis the point forward (best course of action for the Bucks). They could rely on his cutting, but I don't know how good he is at that. If it were up to me he'd f*ck off, but he's a close friend of Giannis so idk if he gets traded. But I think Kidd now accepts that he sucks offensively and doesn't work with the trio, if he stays he should be a defense/hustle guy off the bench, a dumber Tony Allen. Bucks guys have been talking a lot about finding a legit 3&D type PG, a Bucks poster on another board with an inside source said they're really high on Delly. Plz no.
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Post by ballup on Apr 26, 2016 16:03:14 GMT
Kerrr is this years COY
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Post by Last Stand on Apr 26, 2016 16:04:41 GMT
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Post by Last Stand on Apr 26, 2016 17:04:24 GMT
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Post by ballup on May 9, 2016 16:33:11 GMT
EOC is RC Bufford. MVP will be Curry. Updates to OP will come later tonight
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on May 10, 2016 17:35:36 GMT
Curry wins unanimously on his 2nd MVP
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