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Post by bladefd on Jun 16, 2018 20:38:58 GMT
Hi, I'm a soccer n00b. Can someone explain to me the joy of slow-paced sports like soccer, golf, baseball, etc? I have fairly good attention span - definitely vastly better than the computer generation kids like shade/jam - but I just can't get the thrill. Not like basketball.
If I watch while lying down while wide awake (i.e. Peru/Denmark), 10mins in and I snore. I wake up 20 mins later and try to force myself to stay awake with full power. 5mins later, I'm snoring again.
If I watch while sitting up (i.e. Croatia/Nigeria), I get bored within 10mins and start doing other stuff on computer.
I'm guessing it gets too repetitive and my brain gets relaxed, almost like a lullaby. I need something to keep my mind occupied/entertained. Slow paced sports are just not for me.
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Post by BurningHammer on Jun 16, 2018 21:13:27 GMT
For soccer, it depends on how each teams play. Some like to play fast-pace counter-attack long ball style. Some like slow-pace short pass possession football.
In this kind of event, they tend to go for possession football, trying to give away the ball as less as possible, in which the set-ups may be slow for some folks. International football is not the collection of the best eleven possible like pro football so you may not see fast, crisp passes and crosses here.
Instead, you will get a lot of drama in the World Cup like the Spain vs Portugal and how Iran be at the top of Group B (for now).
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Post by bladefd on Jun 17, 2018 7:48:54 GMT
For soccer, it depends on how each teams play. Some like to play fast-pace counter-attack long ball style. Some like slow-pace short pass possession football. In this kind of event, they tend to go for possession football, trying to give away the ball as less as possible, in which the set-ups may be slow for some folks. International football is not the collection of the best eleven possible like pro football so you may not see fast, crisp passes and crosses here. Instead, you will get a lot of drama in the World Cup like the Spain vs Portugal and how Iran be at the top of Group B (for now). I can understand the drama and excitement in the extracurricular stuff.. Old nation rivalries and even player rivalries ala Messi vs Ronaldo, politics, etc. That's cool imo. I just meant the actual game itself I never truly got into tho due to the pacing, style, etc. Compared to basketball or even hockey, I feel like the slower paced sports are mehhh. Soccer has been global for much longer - basketball didn't truly take off globally to the point where it is until the 80s. It was more local and fairly limited globally until that point. Soccer had a major head start. I guess some of it has to do with limitations slowing down growth in countries.. Soccer is probably more accessible to people because all you need is a ball. Shit, reminds me when I was a kid in India, we used to draw lines to designate soccer net with a chalk on the ground and just play haha. Cricket was not bad too - just get a few sticks, bam wickets. Balls were expensive though if we lost them lol. Bats were expensive too but most households had a couple cricket bats lying around so we were good. Logistics wise, basketball is limiting in developing countries because you actually need a basketball hoop, net, court, etc. Friend of mine had a basketball in India but we had nowhere to play. If you go to India or China or Poland or Iran, you will have to actually search for a basketball hoop even today. Basketball also requires more overall athleticism and height ofc is big. Hockey is absolutely not accessible to most developing countries because of the equipment. You have to be able to play for a sport to grow and community to foster it. I will probably never get into soccer like I do basketball, but of course, to each their own. Some people do prefer slower-paced sports. |
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Post by tsk on Jun 17, 2018 12:58:59 GMT
As somebody who enjoys watching people rave marathons, this question kinda always bugs me. There are certain things that require your patience in order to show their true beauty. For soccer, being able to watch the spacing and synchronicity of a good team is fun in and of itself. A serious attacking threat is more exciting because of its rarity and the payoff on a successful goal is more meaningful than a simple score in one of the sports you mentioned as being fast paced.
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Post by BurningHammer on Jun 17, 2018 15:35:54 GMT
One more thing is that the scoring of soccer is another part of the fun. One goal is a lot more important than 2 points in basketball, a tounchdown in football or a run in baseball since it is more difficult to come by under most matchups.
Low scoring means even a draw can have a major importance too. Iceland drew Messi's Argentina and they are celebrating like they win the World Cup.
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Post by bladefd on Jun 18, 2018 7:12:42 GMT
One more thing is that the scoring of soccer is another part of the fun. One goal is a lot more important than 2 points in basketball, a tounchdown in football or a run in baseball since it is more difficult to come by under most matchups.
Low scoring means even a draw can have a major importance too. Iceland drew Messi's Argentina and they are celebrating like they win the World Cup.
Tbh, it's much more than just scoring. Let's look at basketball since we are all most familiar with that. The very essence of basketball creates vastly more movement, pacing and action. There are more things going on at any one moment, and these are more observable to a fan simply because the court is smaller. With soccer, the fields are vastly larger with activities spread across that to the point where we pretty much have no idea at any one point what is happening beyond the little area the camera can take in. So I do feel basketball is more esthetically pleasing from fan perspective, but there is a sense of more going on since it's all compressed inside a smaller area. With everything also happening much faster in basketball, you have little reaction time because everything is almost instantaneous. If you take too long to rotate, somebody is drilling an open 3. That raises the ante when it comes to the excitement factor. Everyone also has to play both sides of the game in basketball (offense and defense). In soccer, you see more position specialty with some players focusing on offense and some on defense - not everyone falls back towards the net to play direct 1on1 defense when opponents are progressing in like in basketball. Also since it's so difficult to score inside that relatively tiny goal, you can momentarily take the gas off the pedal to catch your breath as an individual as long as you stay in front of your opponent and box them out (very difficult to shoot the soccer ball over the defenders). That raises the learning curve of basketball and overall difficulty. Going along the lines of tsk, I agree that there is beauty in every sport for different reasons. Even slow paced sports can be interesting. It's not fair to compare apples to oranges of very different sports. Basketball and soccer are as opposite as you can get in every which way you can think of. As a fan, I just enjoy the thrill of basketball more due to more happening at insane speeds with very little reaction time, almost bang-bang plays. Soccer doesn't have that same dynamic thrilling quality as does basketball imo. My opinion anyways. |
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Post by SugarHill on Jun 18, 2018 11:42:47 GMT
did you just call soccer slow paced?
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Post by bladefd on Jun 19, 2018 21:29:02 GMT
did you just call soccer slow paced? Maybe a better term is transition? Idk. Soccer players do run around plenty but something is missing, slow, droning dull homogeneous. Do you prefer I use the term 'boring'?  Relative to basketball, yeah it is broski. Throw on hockey too, tennis, swimming, horse racing, certain track & field events.. Are we considering motor sports too like f1? I would throw american football on there too but there are too many breaks and slowdowns. NFL has been trying hard to speed it up in recent years but they make too much money from ads.. Therefore, Nfl is slow paced. The slower pace stuff includes.. golf, cricket, baseball, soccer, fishing sports lol, poker, curling |
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Post by SugarHill on Jun 20, 2018 13:12:46 GMT
did you just call soccer slow paced? Maybe a better term is transition? Idk. Soccer players do run around plenty but something is missing, slow, droning dull homogeneous. Do you prefer I use the term 'boring'?  Relative to basketball, yeah it is broski. Throw on hockey too, tennis, swimming, horse racing, certain track & field events.. Are we considering motor sports too like f1? I would throw american football on there too but there are too many breaks and slowdowns. NFL has been trying hard to speed it up in recent years but they make too much money from ads.. Therefore, Nfl is slow paced. The slower pace stuff includes.. golf, cricket, baseball, soccer, fishing sports lol, poker, curling i honestly no lie have no idea how ur connecting soccer to those other things. it's part of the reason i never responded. i dont get it bro |
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Post by bladefd on Jun 20, 2018 20:35:46 GMT
Maybe a better term is transition? Idk. Soccer players do run around plenty but something is missing, slow, droning dull homogeneous. Do you prefer I use the term 'boring'? Relative to basketball, yeah it is broski. Throw on hockey too, tennis, swimming, horse racing, certain track & field events.. Are we considering motor sports too like f1? I would throw american football on there too but there are too many breaks and slowdowns. NFL has been trying hard to speed it up in recent years but they make too much money from ads.. Therefore, Nfl is slow paced. The slower pace stuff includes.. golf, cricket, baseball, soccer, fishing sports lol, poker, curling i honestly no lie have no idea how ur connecting soccer to those other things. it's part of the reason i never responded. i dont get it bro So soccer and basketball are both fast-paced transition sports with fast break (what offside?)? Similar intensity, pacing, style? Gotcha bro. I had everything wrong from top to bottom, across the board =[ |
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Post by SugarHill on Jun 20, 2018 21:33:00 GMT
i honestly no lie have no idea how ur connecting soccer to those other things. it's part of the reason i never responded. i dont get it bro So soccer and basketball are both fast-paced transition sports with fast break (what offside?)? Similar intensity, pacing, style? Gotcha bro. I had everything wrong from top to bottom, across the board =[ uh  . there is little stoppage of play and stoppage of play is quick and decisive. a soccer match is at least as fast paced if not more than basketball which is ruined entirely by the breaks involved especially in the closing minutes of the game or some controversial call which seems to happen more and more often these days. I don't understand your point about offsides unless your idea of fast paced is literally going side to side from the entire field lmfao Lampz come get this man |
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Post by Lampz on Jun 20, 2018 21:35:55 GMT
sorry moe, as a 'computer generation kid', my attention span is too short to bother reading any of what blade said
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Post by bladefd on Jun 21, 2018 5:50:51 GMT
So soccer and basketball are both fast-paced transition sports with fast break (what offside?)? Similar intensity, pacing, style? Gotcha bro. I had everything wrong from top to bottom, across the board =[ uh . there is little stoppage of play and stoppage of play is quick and decisive. a soccer match is at least as fast paced if not more than basketball which is ruined entirely by the breaks involved especially in the closing minutes of the game or some controversial call which seems to happen more and more often these days. I don't understand your point about offsides unless your idea of fast paced is literally going side to side from the entire field lmfao Lampz come get this man Tbh you are right about basketball getting stopped too much and taking forever to get through last quarter. It has been getting irritating last 5-6yrs. I want a return to physical basketball of 90s and early 00s. None of these ticky tacky bs foul calls wasting so much time at free-throw line. Little tap and refs shitting themselves. Basketball is getting too soft... People nowadays are too soft and fragile.. I am fine with allowing some contact rather than this excessive soft babying. Getting too much like soccer lately if you ask me. |
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Post by BurningHammer on Jul 16, 2018 4:53:39 GMT
So in conclusion, has this World Cup, arguably one of the best WCs ever, explained anything about the joy of association football?
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Post by tsk on Jul 16, 2018 21:53:35 GMT
This world cup, along with zidanes run and headbutt, will be the two I look back at with the fondest memories
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Post by bladefd on Jul 17, 2018 1:32:55 GMT
So in conclusion, has this World Cup, arguably one of the best WCs ever, explained anything about the joy of association football? It was alright. I watched a lot of games in later rounds. Intriguing stuff, interesting storylines, underdog Croatia getting to final. Not bad at all. I kind of liked it. Has it changed my opinion of soccer as a sport missing something in excitement department? Not really. I often had to force myself to stay awake. Let me put it into perspective - If I was at the game and if I had no phone signal or dead battery, I would watch the game but be zoned out much of the game while watching. Perhaps I would search the crowd for an attractive girl in provocative clothes. I might have sleepy eyes or be thinking about what I'm doing after the game, what I want to eat for dinner, maybe thinking about the nba season that just ended, planning out the next chapter in my book, essentially lost in thought. |
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. there is little stoppage of play and stoppage of play is quick and decisive. a soccer match is at least as fast paced if not more than basketball which is ruined entirely by the breaks involved especially in the closing minutes of the game or some controversial call which seems to happen more and more often these days. I don't understand your point about offsides unless your idea of fast paced is literally going side to side from the entire field lmfao
