I don't have a strong opinion on immigration because I don't feel like I have an adequate knowledge base to really argue something so complex.


I support moderate open borders - refinement of the current visa / path to citizenship in the US and I'd be cool.

I do not support banishing all illegal immigrants who have established lived here. That is retarded.

In America immigration becomes the scapegoat for bigger problems

In the early 1900s Irish immigrants were over populating our cities. During ww2 Japanese immigrants were spies. During the 60s and 70s McCarthyism said Eastern Europeans were commie devils who wanted to overthrow our government. Now it's Mexicans who are bringing rape and drugs.

What does it say to the families who have been here for 20 years and have escaped poverty if they're forced out of the country back to nothing?


Two sides to the coin homie

Valid points and all true if I remember history right. I even thin Irish people were called white niggers or maybe that was Italians.

But correct me if I am wrong, but weren't USA screaming after workforce during that period, especially after wwii and maybe even during the Nam war.

It was the same thing here in the 70s, our industries were doing great, we had fought our way to be a modern country after early 20th century poverty, where Swedish people actually left for us, I think up to 1 million Swedish people. (you can find them in the North, the Dakotas, minny and them places.)

Anyway, people were not ecstatic about immigration, and most people thought they would leave after we didn't need them anymore, but it wasn't a big deal like today.

I think the reason why people are opposing immigration, and don't get me wrong there is still plenty of racist in America, but yall really think there is still up to 50% of the population that Is racist? Racism is a defect way of thinking and I really don't believe we are still this retarded but as I said, the resson being because of uncertainty of the future, jobs going abroad and high unemployment.

They have to be paid under the table, and if a company gets caught using illegal immigrants employees they get royally fucked. The immigrants are typically deported.

It's unconstitutional to ask for proof of citizenship unless you have probable cause, which is why there are able to be so many undocumented illegal immigrants

To both of you then, what does "not support banishing all illegals" mean? Which are you banishing?

Having so many illegals that are not allowed to work though, and please read what I'm saying correct, create more crime? And no, not because they are messican but because they have no legal means of getting them dollas. I am not sure but I think someone estimated that us had 16 million illegals. That's more than the amount of people we have here. 16 million whose only way of financing their stay is through crime or working under the table which could be compared to slave labor.

So one way would be to grant them all citizenship but then you have 16 million people, mostly in California competing for minimum wage job, so to me it seems like us is fine with this status quo since they have no idea what the consequences to either action would be.

Illegal immigration is over-inflated in impact tbh. Folks like in GOP need a scapegoat to blame for why wages have been stagnant. What they don't say is the economy has been growing at a consistent basis for last 40 years, but the growth in economy has benefited the wealthiest people. They are just trying to deflect the issue by making illegal immigration the scapegoat.

Bernie Sanders was right that the growth has gone to the wealthiest due to trickle-down economics being pushed under Reagan, 1st Bush and expanded under 2nd Bush. It will further expand under Trump. Yet GOP blames it on both illegal immigrants and even legal immigrants for taking away jobs.

As far as illegal immigration growth is concerned.. Keep in mind that in last decade or so, the number of illegal immigrants has stabilized with no overall growth. It accounts for 3.5% of the US population, and as you guys already mentioned, most of them work for minimum wage or often less. Illegal immigration is not as impactful in the big picture as trickle-down economics through massive tax-cuts to the richest.

I don't think open-borders is a good idea though because the values differ significantly between US and Mexico. This is not European union where they use same euro currency, and people can go in and out at will. The economies are also fairly similar across European countries compared to the vaaaaaaaaaaaaast difference between US and Mexico economies.

I have no issue with having more border security, but what about people who are here illegally already? There is no realistic way to get them all out. Not without something insane like stop-and-frisk or going street-by-street checking everyone's documents. That is unconstitutional to ask for proof of citizenship if you lack probable cause to do so. I also guarantee they will choose neighborhoods first based on ethnicity/race, which is also unconstitutional.

For those who are already here, let them stay. If you legalize them then they can start paying taxes for things like social security, medicare, etc. At the same time, increase border security. We don't need a goddamned wall btw.. We have the technology to make do without a $20 billion wall.

This is not really true, I'd even say the difference between Sweden/Denmark/Germany compared to countries like Czech, Poland and Hungary is probably bigger than US vs mexico.

Also not all country uses Euro, most, yeah, but not all.

True, but you get how declaring all illegal immigrants citizens doesn't change a thing. People would still illegally come live in the US and there's no incentive for illegal immigrants to become citizens. Medicare and Medicaid aren't on their priorities and probably not in a thought for them.

I am not even sure how came to these numbers and why you even picked Germany and San Marino to compare, San Marino a microstate but not really a poor one, they defintely have it good, there is 10-15 countries that has it ten times worse than them...

But why even compare GDP, is not even a way to see how well of the average citizen is. Is just a measurement of all goods and services produced by a country among the several flaws within it.

There is but is hard with US especially since the difference between the classes is so yuuuge. Looking at the difference between the poorest versus the middle class is huuge, and likewise from middle class to upper middle class.