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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:00:12 GMT
continued from last post..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 20:03:39 GMT
Anything that Captain Atom hits Nova with he can absorb and dish it right back out.. CA can absorb just as much as Nova can and is a much stronger opponent.
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:04:34 GMT
Nova certainly has strength having knocked out Thor, twice..
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:07:55 GMT
Anything that Captain Atom hits Nova with he can absorb and dish it right back out.. CA can absorb just as much as Nova can and is a much stronger opponent. So you admit it, energy absorption and manipulation isnt actually an advantage that he has, he can merely match it. Also as seen in the above scans hes strong enough.. not to mention he has traded punches with the Silver Surfer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 20:09:22 GMT
Not only does CA have a power skill set that would overwhelm Nova he is really tough to put down for good. In order for Nova to get put down for good, a universe had to collapse on him while fighting Thanos. I doubt CA needs to kill him to get the victory but he is capable of doing that.
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:11:00 GMT
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:13:18 GMT
If i recall, the one called boogie vetoed Silver Surfer from this draft for being too OP... hmm..
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:16:31 GMT
In order for Nova to get put down for good, a universe had to collapse on him while fighting Thanos. I doubt CA needs to kill him to get the victory but he is capable of doing that. Nova can kill as well..
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:18:30 GMT
Reed Richards finds the stuff Worldmind does complex
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Post by Anti Hero on Jun 2, 2016 20:19:11 GMT
Prep Reed vs Prep Doom probably = 6-4 in favor of Reed, but... Prep Reed vs Doom = 10-0
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:20:25 GMT
Briefly flies into a neutron star and opens a wormhole within it to come out light-years away.
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:21:43 GMT
Survives being inside an energy storage reservoir of Galactus' ship containing the energy of absorbed worlds. Nova also diplays the ability to instantly repair his suit
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:25:08 GMT
Defeats the Revengers solo with a full powered attack
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:26:27 GMT
Prep Reed vs Prep Doom probably = 6-4 in favor of Reed, but... Prep Reed vs Doom = 10-0 Would have been a lot more fun if Doom was prepped.. Well.. I mean of course, not for you..lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 20:33:49 GMT
Those Scans are nice but most of those are in space the fight is taking place in savage land. It's going to be a up close slug fest where I think CA overpowers Nova.
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Post by coopernicus on Jun 2, 2016 20:43:17 GMT
3 words. Infinite Mass Punch. Quoting DC wiki here: Barry has numerous other insanely powerful attributes, but I think this is the most important one when demonstrating his ability to handle Apocalypse. (Provided comic is of Wally West, but demonstrates a Speedster's infinite mass punch) and has barry even done that punch EVER? i can't find anything about him ever doing it. He's a the source of the speed force...it's an ability of speed source conduits. How about instead of "pushing him away" ...lol at that phrasing btw... He "pushes" him straight down through to the center of the earth? Can you please source Apocalypse having a mastery of force fields? Aepoch isn't invincible. You were keen on Rachel Summers sending Etrigan back in time to kill Zatanna as a baby, so how about Barry altering the timeline by going back and killing Apocalypse thousands of years ago when he wasn't nearly as powerful (a la Flashpoint)? Barry has too many tools to not defeat Apocalypse.
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Post by coopernicus on Jun 2, 2016 20:45:33 GMT
apocalypse also has super speed (not as fast as flash), can teleport, can regen, can make forcefields, can make himself bigger than a city so flash can't hurt him, can then destroy flashes body with his powers\possess him and makes him kill himsed\turns him to stone. apocalypse takes more than one speedster to beat, he's taken over entire worlds. He's beaten quickilver multiple times. Hell even if flash hits him he can just make his blood infect flash and turn him in to a horseman or whatever. This is like saying "my disabled grandma moves pretty well for her age, but she's not as fast as a cheetah". The difference between Apocalypse's speed and Barry's is laughably far apart. Quicksilver ain't no Barry Allen
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:45:36 GMT
Those Scans are nice but most of those are in space the fight is taking place in savage land. It's going to be a up close slug fest where I think CA overpowers Nova. Captain Atom had never visited The Savage Land one day in his life. Not only that but Nova has visited on multiple occasions and is an easy location for the Worldmind to instantaneously gain an infinite amount of information on. Also Nova can fly so he can certainly elevate into the savage lands stratosphere. Also he has punched people out of their original location before. Thus is the might of the Nova force. In the history of this game a fight has been allowed to start on earth and end up in space. If CA flees, there is no where to run to, for Nova has caught up to fast beings like the Silver Surfer in mere seconds. Has traversed universes in mere moments. Has hunted beings down even unto the cancerverse. Also thank you for admitting that my scans are nice.
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Post by Rondo on Jun 2, 2016 20:46:35 GMT
Lets talk about Reed's "Prep".......
1) Datapad/supercomputer will be present which holds all relevant information about an opponent, including a psychological profile, information about their species/homeworld, their affiliations, their powers and how they operate(for instance, an explanation on the Kryptonian physiology, such as how the cells absorb yellow sunlight), and their arsenal (if they have one). The computer will boot up with a brief opening monologue so the prepped character will see the strength and weakness of their opponent(s). It's a monologue, so it's not visual, but it can reveal a character's particular moveset, if it is used commonly by that character. But keep in mind, like if a Marvel character is prepped and facing off against Superman, he/she will find out that Superman's weakness is kryptonite. The problem for the prepped character is how will they find kryptonite in the Marvel universe? It's not possible. Then the computer will automatically open to the character's psychological profile as well as giving any relevant information the user requires.
Reed and Doom already know all of this about each other, so Doom would be just as prepped as Reed for information about their opponent
2) A sample of their opponent's DNA. If the opponent is a mutant/alien, this would allow someone with enough knowledge in the area of genetics to analyze, and possibly work out how to neutralize an opponent's ability.
What is there for Reed to analyze? Doom really has no physical weakness
3) Access to any significant prop used by an opponent, such as a Green Lantern's power ring. They would not be able to use the sample, but would be allowed to analyze it, to determine things like power source, type of energy, etc. Because some people rely on items rather than their own inherent abilities, this keeps it from being unfair to those that could have their powers neutralized by analyzing a DNA sample.
Again, what is there to analyze? His armor?
4) A small amount of any substance that hinders or helps the opponent. Such as Kryptonite, or Radion. Not enough to actually harm the opponent, but enough to analyze.
Not relevant
5) A 3-D map of the layout will be given in advance for them to study and prepare for battle. They cannot alter the battlefield in any way before the battle.
Go ahead and study the savage lands Reed, Doom has the smarts and strategic abilities to analyze the battlefield in a short time frame within the battle.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 20:54:45 GMT
<abbr>Captain Adam power set is so versatile here he creates duplicates of himself one CA is already enough to beat him. </abbr>
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 20:59:08 GMT
<abbr>Captain Adam power set is so versatile here he creates duplicates of himself one CA is already enough to beat him. </abbr> Your scan only hints at the fact that the duplicates can be used as search functions. It doesnt depict any duplication of powers or an ability to control a body phantom in any weaponized way. Also in your very first scan, the flash claims that there is fear of Captain Atoms mental instability. So there is also the possibility of a mental imbalance occuring when he stretches his powers beyong his limits. As he claims to be doing in this scan.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 21:11:04 GMT
<abbr>Captain Adam power set is so versatile here he creates duplicates of himself one CA is already enough to beat him. </abbr> Your scan only hints at the fact that the duplicates can be used as search functions. It doesnt depict any duplication of powers or an ability to control a body phantom in any weaponized way. Also in your very first scan, the flash claims that there is fear of Captain Atoms mental instability. So there is also the possibility of a mental imbalance occuring when he stretches his powers beyong his limits. As he claims to be doing in this scan.That was when he was getting to learn his new powers. When he becomes more accustom to his powers he is more mentally stable and begins to tap into the potential of his powers.
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 21:16:16 GMT
The Savage Land is much more home playing field for Nova than it is for Captain Atom. If there is any sort of advantage to exploit, Worldmind will find it, since its adept at gaining planetary information on the fly. Worldmind can access entire databases of alien planets instantly
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Post by coopernicus on Jun 2, 2016 21:19:22 GMT
he going to punch apocalypse once, if he bleeds he will be infected game over. In what way? Can you source apocalypse taking control of superhumans through contact with his blood? You also offered no counter to Barry altering the timeline to kill Apocalpyse thousands of years ago before his mutant powers came into effect
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 21:27:24 GMT
If Nova can match the Silver Surfers speed and can thwap! him as in the scan above, then he can definitely go KRAK! upside Captain Atoms head.
Oh and Nova has shields up the wazoo..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 21:34:31 GMT
Sliver Surfer has had bad showings against peopler much weaker then Nova.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 21:35:49 GMT
Bob This has been a good debate will be back on later.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 21:42:09 GMT
really into this round
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Post by Bob on Jun 2, 2016 21:44:32 GMT
Bob This has been a good debate will be back on later. I shall await you, thy worthy opponent..
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Post by coopernicus on Jun 3, 2016 0:02:28 GMT
In what way? Can you source apocalypse taking control of superhumans through contact with his blood? You also offered no counter to Barry altering the timeline to kill Apocalpyse thousands of years ago before his mutant powers came into effect he controls all his molecules he's done it before, the counter was the it was disallowed in that fight so why is it allowed in this one? if it were allowed in the first round it would be allowed now (although has flash gone in to the future to know he would be fighting apocalypse like rachael who is from the future?) It wasn't disallowed in round one, it was proven ineffective cause you didn't understand how Rachel's powers worked
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