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Post by dunksby on Apr 20, 2016 13:39:14 GMT
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Apr 20, 2016 15:26:47 GMT
I don't know how mistreated he was, but he killed 77 people. He doesn't deserve to earn any money.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 15:36:00 GMT
This is Scandinavia not some third nation shithole. I know he is a murderer, a despicable human being, but if the state has violated laws regarding prisoners comfort then there is nothing else to it. If the laws in Norway allowed prisoners to get anally raped 24 hours a day then I wouldn't mind him being punished that way. But that is not the case now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 15:37:47 GMT
I don't know how mistreated he was, but he killed 77 people. He doesn't deserve to earn any money. He didn't receive any money per see. His court fees were paid by the state since he won the case. Had he lost the trial he would have had to pay.
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Post by Don Rumata on Apr 20, 2016 15:41:13 GMT
it's very hard in those extreme cases but constitutional state is constitutional state
one shouldn't go savage country because of lowlifes like this
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Post by SugarHill on Apr 20, 2016 15:43:23 GMT
Killed 77 people, mostly children. Who cares how he's treated?
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Post by Don Rumata on Apr 20, 2016 16:32:23 GMT
is there a thread on ISH? Nick Young be like but... but.... he even got an xbox 
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 16:36:07 GMT
Killed 77 people, mostly children. Who cares how he's treated? I get your rational, but that is not how it is, sadly.
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Post by dunksby on Apr 20, 2016 16:37:03 GMT
Killed 77 people, mostly children. Who cares how he's treated? Castrated Scandinavian liberals. That's why death sentences and places like Guantanamo exist. The fact that this guy is able to sue anybody is comical. And they even declared him sane because he protested saying sending a holy warrior like him to a mental asylum is criminal. Scandinavia, where terrorists win.
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Post by Don Rumata on Apr 20, 2016 16:39:39 GMT
Killed 77 people, mostly children. Who cares how he's treated? Castrated Scandinavian liberals. That's why death sentences and places like Guantanamo exist. The fact that this guy is able to sue anybody is comical. And they even declared him sane because he protested saying sending a holy warrior like him to a mental asylum is criminal. Scandinavia, where terrorists win. death sentences don't stop crime at all never did, never will only savage countries still got the death penalty
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Post by dunksby on Apr 20, 2016 16:39:52 GMT
I don't know how mistreated he was, but he killed 77 people. He doesn't deserve to earn any money. Child killer be like this is socialism, government gotta pay my expenses. And voila, he gets it.
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Post by dunksby on Apr 20, 2016 16:41:10 GMT
Castrated Scandinavian liberals. That's why death sentences and places like Guantanamo exist. The fact that this guy is able to sue anybody is comical. And they even declared him sane because he protested saying sending a holy warrior like him to a mental asylum is criminal. Scandinavia, where terrorists win. death sentences don't stop crime at all never did, never will only savage countries still got the death penalty It's not about stopping, it's about crime and punishment. Dude killed 70+ teenagers and here we are debating his rights.
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Post by Don Rumata on Apr 20, 2016 16:46:06 GMT
death sentences don't stop crime at all never did, never will only savage countries still got the death penalty It's not about stopping, it's about crime and punishment. Dude killed 70+ teenagers and here we are debating his rights.  , like i said, it's fucked up in those extreme cases but we don't just start shooting criminals not that anybody care about this guy, but law is law i do think his sentences is too low btw and they should change the law
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 16:48:20 GMT
I don't know how mistreated he was, but he killed 77 people. He doesn't deserve to earn any money. Child killer be like this is socialism, government gotta pay my expenses. And voila, he gets it. He wasn't in need of money. Breiveik was actually rich and he hated socialism, that's why he attacked children at a socialist camp.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 16:49:04 GMT
It's not about stopping, it's about crime and punishment. Dude killed 70+ teenagers and here we are debating his rights.  , like i said, it's fucked up in those extreme cases but we don't just start shooting criminals not that anybody care about this guy, but law is law i do think his sentences is too low btw and they should change the law He has a life sentence he will never be released from prison.
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Post by dunksby on Apr 20, 2016 16:49:41 GMT
Child killer be like this is socialism, government gotta pay my expenses. And voila, he gets it. He wasn't in need of money. Breiveik was actually rich and he hated socialism, that's why he attacked children at a socialist camp. You are not very bright, are you?
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Post by Don Rumata on Apr 20, 2016 16:50:52 GMT
 , like i said, it's fucked up in those extreme cases but we don't just start shooting criminals not that anybody care about this guy, but law is law i do think his sentences is too low btw and they should change the law He has a life sentence he will never be released from prison. oh ok, i remembered something different and I haven't followed the case
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Post by dunksby on Apr 20, 2016 16:51:34 GMT
It's not about stopping, it's about crime and punishment. Dude killed 70+ teenagers and here we are debating his rights.  , like i said, it's fucked up in those extreme cases but we don't just start shooting criminals not that anybody care about this guy, but law is law i do think his sentences is too low btw and they should change the law Exactly, if law allows mass murderers so much leeway, there's something wrong with it.
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Post by Don Rumata on Apr 20, 2016 16:55:39 GMT
 , like i said, it's fucked up in those extreme cases but we don't just start shooting criminals not that anybody care about this guy, but law is law i do think his sentences is too low btw and they should change the law Exactly, if law allows mass murderers so much leeway, there's something wrong with it. he got solitary confinement for life what would you do?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 17:00:29 GMT
He wasn't in need of money. Breiveik was actually rich and he hated socialism, that's why he attacked children at a socialist camp. You are not very bright, are you? I am not the retard that thinks the reason he hasn't been put down is because of political reason like Scandinavia being too liberal. If you want go around around preaching murder than that's you, we left that behind centuries ago, and going back would be taking a step in the wrong direction. If you wanted to discuss this particular verdict, as to where they judges maybe have deliberated wring or something else then sure, but you come here with your nick young like post and say shit like "breivik wins money blå blå bla". In your opinion we should just throw away his constitutional right just because you can't stop for a second to think with something other than your emotions? Two wrongs doesn't make a right, Further one preaching about Guantanamo Bay is even more ridiculous, there is so many prisoners in Guantanamo that are held despite being innocent, they have no chance for trial and they are treated like pigs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 17:03:15 GMT
He has a life sentence he will never be released from prison. oh ok, i remembered something different and I haven't followed the case Well yeah, the maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years, but his comes with somewhat of a clause. It can be prolonged as long as he is deemed a threat for society, which he'll always be. So he'll probably die in prison or maybe be released when he is 80 years or shut like that.
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Apr 20, 2016 17:08:03 GMT
It's not about stopping, it's about crime and punishment. Dude killed 70+ teenagers and here we are debating his rights.  , like i said, it's fucked up in those extreme cases but we don't just start shooting criminals not that anybody care about this guy, but law is law i do think his sentences is too low btw and they should change the law Law is law, but he should have lost his rights to sue when he broke the law mass murdering people and there is without a doubt that he's the shooter. Put those two in conjunction. If he was maybe the mass murderer and there was a reasonable doubt, then sure, there is a better argument Of course, this is an extreme case scenario, which makes this easy to say this. When it comes to a case by case basis where lets say the murderer shot 9 people, then comes the difficulty in quantifying what is mass murder and how much rights should they have depending on the victims killed (or maybe injured)
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Apr 20, 2016 17:12:37 GMT
I don't know how mistreated he was, but he killed 77 people. He doesn't deserve to earn any money. He didn't receive any money per see. His court fees were paid by the state since he won the case. Had he lost the trial he would have had to pay. You're right. He didn't earn the money. I shouldn't have phrased it that way, but he should never have gotten the hearing in my opinion. He loses money by spending on legal fees, but he gained them all back when Norway (or the state or whatever) has to reimburse him. So basically, Norway LOSES out on the money from the case, WASTED (I would consider it a waste) time of the court, and WASTED taxpayer money if part of the tax money they spend goes to funding the legal system
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 17:31:36 GMT
He didn't receive any money per see. His court fees were paid by the state since he won the case. Had he lost the trial he would have had to pay. You're right. He didn't earn the money. I shouldn't have phrased it that way, but he should never have gotten the hearing in my opinion. He loses money by spending on legal fees, but he gained them all back when Norway (or the state or whatever) has to reimburse him. So basically, Norway LOSES out on the money from the case, WASTED (I would consider it a waste) time of the court, and WASTED taxpayer money if part of the tax money they spend goes to funding the legal system So you want them to rebuild their constitution and break against European convention just because of one man? This is America in a nutshell , had one terror attack, granted it was a big one, that sadly costed the life of thousands of people, what do they do? They rile up the people to support a war that has now killed hindered of thousands and costed more than trillions and trillions of dollars. Furthermore they use it as an excuse to spy on their own citizens. They have laws that for the most part works, this was an exception, this has never happened before, we obviously don't have laws as what to do with a man that decides to go and kill 77bpeople., for the record despite Scandinavias lax punishments the rate of recidivism is million times lower than America where the punishment is hard as fuck. So we are the ones that are doing something right with out punishment and rehabilitation, not America. People think breivik is living some lavish life, the man has been isolated for 23 hours a day for five years. With one of the hours where ha had a chance to run on a treadmill but not before being bodily visited naked. I know for you nerds being able to sit in your room for 23 hours a day and play video games is the dream, but I can't even imagine how that is. He has in letters begged to get the capital punishment instead of being kept isolated like this. I reapet, he literally begged to be murdered. If we hypothetically assume there is no after life, no heaven and no hell he is right now sitting and rotting in a room for 23 hours a day doing nothing at all. People who think capital punishment is worse than that are crazy.
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Apr 20, 2016 18:03:32 GMT
You're right. He didn't earn the money. I shouldn't have phrased it that way, but he should never have gotten the hearing in my opinion. He loses money by spending on legal fees, but he gained them all back when Norway (or the state or whatever) has to reimburse him. So basically, Norway LOSES out on the money from the case, WASTED (I would consider it a waste) time of the court, and WASTED taxpayer money if part of the tax money they spend goes to funding the legal system So you want them to rebuild their constitution and break against European convention just because of one man? This is America in a nutshell , had one terror attack, granted it was a big one, that sadly costed the life of thousands of people, what do they do? They rile up the people to support a war that has now killed hindered of thousands and costed more than trillions and trillions of dollars. Furthermore they use it as an excuse to spy on their own citizens. They have laws that for the most part works, this was an exception, this has never happened before, we obviously don't have laws as what to do with a man that decides to go and kill 77bpeople., for the record despite Scandinavias lax punishments the rate of recidivism is million times lower than America where the punishment is hard as fuck. So we are the ones that are doing something right with out punishment and rehabilitation, not America. People think breivik is living some lavish life, the man has been isolated for 23 hours a day for five years. With one of the hours where ha had a chance to run on a treadmill but not before being bodily visited naked. I know for you nerds being able to sit in your room for 23 hours a day and play video games is the dream, but I can't even imagine how that is. He has in letters begged to get the capital punishment instead of being kept isolated like this. I reapet, he literally begged to be murdered. If we hypothetically assume there is no after life, no heaven and no hell he is right now sitting and rotting in a room for 23 hours a day doing nothing at all. People who think capital punishment is worse than that are crazy. They don't need to rebuild their constitution. They can make amendments, can't they? Also this situation is different compared to the terror attack. Norway already obtained the culprit and there was only one. The terror attack here was caused by an organization and we didn't manage to capture them all, so I don't know why you brought that up. Do I advocate them going to other countries to locate the terrorists by spending shit loads of money to try to stop an organization where we aren't aware of their location? FUCK No. Would I prefer them to train the people of that country to fight against the terrorists?  . I'm already pissed at our government's use of budgeting. That doesn't change my argument on what Norway is doing I'm not saying Norway should throw everything out the window, but when a disastrous event occurred which made history in Norway, something needs to be done to prevent giving this guy as much chance as an ordinary criminal. He isn't ordinary at all.
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Post by BurningHammer on Apr 20, 2016 19:33:48 GMT
This dude is the most memetic mass murderer in years. 
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