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Post by OutRosez on May 19, 2018 0:47:38 GMT
tagging my boys SugarHill tsk Steve Nash First post is completely safe to read subsequent posters will be tagged with appropriate spoilers. |
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Post by SugarHill on May 19, 2018 0:51:32 GMT
i'm hoping to watch at least 3 by tomorrow
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Post by Scottie4Hottie on May 19, 2018 0:59:37 GMT
tagging my boys SugarHill tsk Steve Nash First post is completely safe to read subsequent posters will be tagged with appropriate spoilers. I’m not your boy anymo?  .... |
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Post by OutRosez on May 19, 2018 1:06:24 GMT
{Spoiler Episode 1}I understand why Tyler is the lead episode narrator but I'm not sure it was the right choice. I think starting off with Courtney would have been better narratively because it starts with an actual truth. Not Tyler's fantasies that we don't know are 100% factual given his obvious mental health problems. We have no reason to assume that he's actually lying BUT Courtney gives us a more sympathetic if bitchy character to reintegrate the series with. Later on it becomes more clear why Tyler is the right lead but I still think Courtney's episode works better as the lead {Spoiler Episode 2}A much better episode but at this point I still wasn't feeling it that much. The show didn't quite have the feeling of greatness yet. Courtney's was good but not a great performance. It made me not think she's a total bitch, because she was at least honest at the end and showed growth. She went from wanting to save her own ass, to just doing the right thing now. I respect that. {Spoiler Episode 3}Jessica's actress was so fucking good in this one, and this was the first episode I felt like the show had gotten some of its mojo back in. It's not back entirely, but it's getting there at this point.
Tony was great in this, especially given the stakes he personally faces. Justin coming back was nice, although Clay lying to him :/
But how they represented Jessica still struggling with the rape and not being ready to name Bryce as her accuser was so great. The conversation with Mrs. Baker and the guilt both were feeling at the same time (Jess for not saying anything and Mrs. Baker trying to force it out of Jessica) was really nice if a bit short and underplayed. That felt a bit rushed almost. Would have liked to see that scene be 30 seconds longer and have the lines hang more. {Spoiler Episode 4}I liked how they brought up the opioid crisis. I like seeing what happened with Sheri a bit through her own eyes. How she's trying to make up for killing Jeff is pretty good. Again great Jessica stuff in this one.
BUT Marcus is such a little fucking piece of shit. I was kind of sad that the Klebold and Harris duo didn't do something worse than him, even though the show is pretty clearly showing that it's coming. Tyler's reaction to when he finds out about it is realistic. Although I do think that he's not properly reacting to it when he says he's the only one being honest. It's pretty clear that Courtney is at that point, even though she's not taking the heat for it like Tyler is, she still did admit what she did.
But seriously Fuck Marcus. also lol at that little sign burning lighting up his room. I thought they were gonna deal with race a bit more than previously alluded to in past episodes by having a burning cross in his yard for a second. {Spoiler Episode 5}Klebold and Harris intensifies.
But man, I'm hoping Bryce's mom becomes the true hero mom in this story. It's the first real sign of someone actually fucking him over maybe in the future. Ryan works well as a narrator in this one. Definitely the most boring one so far, but it wasn't bad. Just....boring. {Spoiler Episode 6}FINALLY! The show gets fucking great again. Zach's story is both great and heartbreaking. What he does to Hannah is sad. What Clay does to ghost Hannah is worse, but at least at the end Justin straightens him out. I loved how that came from Justin. He's a character who can't really be redeemed, but can still do good things and try to make up for his past transgressions. I like it. He plays well off Clay which I didn't think happened a lot the first season. Their relationship is nice. Hannah though Poor girl. Zach dealing with that guilt for the rest of his life is just crushing too. I didn't cover some of the bigger stuff specifically how episode 1 ends, because I'm not sure how events following that unfolded per episode. So no talk from me on that. |
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Post by OutRosez on May 19, 2018 1:06:58 GMT
tagging my boys SugarHill tsk Steve Nash First post is completely safe to read subsequent posters will be tagged with appropriate spoilers. I’m not your boy anymo?  .... I didn't think you watched the show! |
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Post by OutRosez on May 19, 2018 1:08:47 GMT
i'm hoping to watch at least 3 by tomorrow I would say watch 3 and 4 together. So stop after 2 or just go until 5 because of momentum stuff. I'm on 7 now and waiting for the right mood and time to strike so I can watch it. OH WHO AM I KIDDING ITS ALWAYS THE RIGHT MOOD AND TIME!!!! |
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Post by Scottie4Hottie on May 19, 2018 1:48:51 GMT
I’m not your boy anymo? .... I didn't think you watched the show! You are correct |
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Post by Steve Nash on May 19, 2018 1:55:58 GMT
Currently on episode 6. If it wasn't for work I'd be done. |
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Post by Steve Nash on May 19, 2018 1:57:35 GMT
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I really want Zach to come out of this as clean as possible. Yeah, he does some dumb shit and definitely hasn't been perfect but I desperately hope he ends up with a redeeming arc, dude seems to have a spark of good within him that I hope doesn't get tarnished beyond repair. |
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Post by tsk on May 19, 2018 2:10:07 GMT
Episode two. I'm not really into it
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Post by T'Chayda on May 19, 2018 2:13:03 GMT
just finished episode 1. ill finish it tonight.
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Post by Steve Nash on May 19, 2018 2:51:25 GMT
{Spoiler}If Cyrus and Tyler become a cliché school shooting duo I'll be done with this show forever. |
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Post by OutRosez on May 19, 2018 7:27:19 GMT
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Same, I'm hoping Justin gets there too now. I'm really feeling his story too now. He can't really redeem himself, but he can get a good outcome imo. {Spoiler}
I really want Zach to come out of this as clean as possible. Yeah, he does some dumb shit and definitely hasn't been perfect but I desperately hope he ends up with a redeeming arc, dude seems to have a spark of good within him that I hope doesn't get tarnished beyond repair. |
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Post by OutRosez on May 19, 2018 7:30:58 GMT
Episode two. I'm not really into it I felt like 2 was solid, not first season good but fine. 3 has moments and it picks up from there a lot. I watched the first 4.5 last night and then the next 5.5 in a row basically. The 5.5 have been way better. |
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Post by OutRosez on May 19, 2018 19:52:41 GMT
wowowowowowowowowowow {Spoiler Episode 10}Zach>>>>>LeBron.
This may have been favorite episode of the season if the clubhouse stuff had been longer. Zach should have had more dialogue.
I think it's become clear that at this point they had really good ideas and solid execution, but the difference is last season they had great ideas and great execution. So it really brings it down a lot. |
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Post by OutRosez on May 19, 2018 23:08:43 GMT
That was the most disappointing ending ever
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Post by Steve Nash on May 20, 2018 1:17:03 GMT
On episode 11, this shit feels like it's gonna be one huge cliché
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Post by Steve Nash on May 20, 2018 2:48:10 GMT
{Spoiler}I honestly really like that the school was found not responsible. Clean endings to storylines are boring and lame but I still feel like this last episode is gonna let me down. |
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Post by Steve Nash on May 20, 2018 2:50:17 GMT
{Spoiler}I hate that Bryce was arrested too. I think the perfect ending would have been him getting away with it. This shit feels like it's gonna end up working because Hannah killed herself and that's the wrong message to send imo |
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Post by Steve Nash on May 20, 2018 3:06:38 GMT
OutRosez What a stupid fucking ending. So goddamn gratuitous. I'm so disappointed in the direction it ended up taking, there was some really promising setup and then this is the payoff. Brutal.
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Post by OutRosez on May 20, 2018 3:24:14 GMT
OutRosez What a stupid fucking ending. So goddamn gratuitous. I'm so disappointed in the direction it ended up taking, there was some really promising setup and then this is the payoff. Brutal. I'm not tagging this first part because people should be aware of what happens in the last episode. didn't hate the gratuity. I didn't like it, it was hard to watch, I won't defend it much, and I can totally see where you're coming from. I legit cringed when watching it. I felt like there was a much better route to take to get to the ultimate outcome. It happens in schools, so I'm understanding why they chose that but with that said... I didn't need to see it. I didn't need to see that much of it. And I sure as hell didn't need to see much more than an a solid implication that was gonna happen because when the mop was brought into it I had no idea what was coming until it happened. Show the guy starting to do the act, and then cut it imo. DON'T MAKE IT SO GRATUITOUS!!!! Totally agreed on the payoff. I thought {Spoiler}
with Clay narrating the episode it would have been great to see him as the only one, or maybe one of a select few of the reasons? tape people? kids? whatever we call them to survive.
Then ending it that way with Clay holding the gun and Justin who's on fucking probation right fucking next to him is fucking retarded. Why the fuck is Tony suddenly willing to help him out? If Justin was gonna be there anyway, why not have him drive the prius since he's a damned good driver in his own words?
I am so disappointed in it. It's been like 4 hours for me, and I'm still fucking disappointed. I felt the final 4 episodes were damn near perfect until the last two minutes.
It ruins Tyler's storyline for the season, the build up, the suspense from last year, everything. And it doesn't send a clear message. "yeah you can prevent a school shooting if you just talk someone down!!!" what the flying fuck lol. When someone has a gun you're taught to submit to them because they automatically have the upper hand. |
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Post by Steve Nash on May 20, 2018 3:28:30 GMT
OutRosez What a stupid fucking ending. So goddamn gratuitous. I'm so disappointed in the direction it ended up taking, there was some really promising setup and then this is the payoff. Brutal. I'm not tagging this first part because people should be aware of what happens in the last episode. didn't hate the gratuity. I didn't like it, it was hard to watch, I won't defend it much, and I can totally see where you're coming from. I legit cringed when watching it. I felt like there was a much better route to take to get to the ultimate outcome. It happens in schools, so I'm understanding why they chose that but with that said... I didn't need to see it. I didn't need to see that much of it. And I sure as hell didn't need to see much more than an a solid implication that was gonna happen because when the mop was brought into it I had no idea what was coming until it happened. Show the guy starting to do the act, and then cut it imo. DON'T MAKE IT SO GRATUITOUS!!!! Totally agreed on the payoff. I thought {Spoiler}
with Clay narrating the episode it would have been great to see him as the only one, or maybe one of a select few of the reasons? tape people? kids? whatever we call them to survive.
Then ending it that way with Clay holding the gun and Justin who's on fucking probation right fucking next to him is fucking retarded. Why the fuck is Tony suddenly willing to help him out? If Justin was gonna be there anyway, why not have him drive the prius since he's a damned good driver in his own words?
I am so disappointed in it. It's been like 4 hours for me, and I'm still fucking disappointed. I felt the final 4 episodes were damn near perfect until the last two minutes.
It ruins Tyler's storyline for the season, the build up, the suspense from last year, everything. And it doesn't send a clear message. "yeah you can prevent a school shooting if you just talk someone down!!!" what the flying fuck lol. When someone has a gun you're taught to submit to them because they automatically have the upper hand. I just think there was probably a better thing to be gratuitous with, or a better way to use it for the episode. I dunno, it just seemed really out of place to me. I agree generally that things picked uo towards the end, and I think that the last episode started realllllly well...but it left me disappointed. Hoping season 3 learns from it |
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Post by OutRosez on May 20, 2018 3:37:14 GMT
I'm not tagging this first part because people should be aware of what happens in the last episode. didn't hate the gratuity. I didn't like it, it was hard to watch, I won't defend it much, and I can totally see where you're coming from. I legit cringed when watching it. I felt like there was a much better route to take to get to the ultimate outcome. It happens in schools, so I'm understanding why they chose that but with that said... I didn't need to see it. I didn't need to see that much of it. And I sure as hell didn't need to see much more than an a solid implication that was gonna happen because when the mop was brought into it I had no idea what was coming until it happened. Show the guy starting to do the act, and then cut it imo. DON'T MAKE IT SO GRATUITOUS!!!! Totally agreed on the payoff. I thought {Spoiler}
with Clay narrating the episode it would have been great to see him as the only one, or maybe one of a select few of the reasons? tape people? kids? whatever we call them to survive.
Then ending it that way with Clay holding the gun and Justin who's on fucking probation right fucking next to him is fucking retarded. Why the fuck is Tony suddenly willing to help him out? If Justin was gonna be there anyway, why not have him drive the prius since he's a damned good driver in his own words?
I am so disappointed in it. It's been like 4 hours for me, and I'm still fucking disappointed. I felt the final 4 episodes were damn near perfect until the last two minutes.
It ruins Tyler's storyline for the season, the build up, the suspense from last year, everything. And it doesn't send a clear message. "yeah you can prevent a school shooting if you just talk someone down!!!" what the flying fuck lol. When someone has a gun you're taught to submit to them because they automatically have the upper hand. I just think there was probably a better thing to be gratuitous with, or a better way to use it for the episode. I dunno, it just seemed really out of place to me. I agree generally that things picked uo towards the end, and I think that the last episode started realllllly well...but it left me disappointed. Hoping season 3 learns from it It did given that the series as a whole is built around a singular gratuitous act: Hannah's suicide. Season 2 didn't show anything that bad, give any indication that it was gonna be that bad, or anything like that and that THAT randomly happens. And unlike her suicide, it's the basis for nothing lol. If it had lead to something I'd be more willing to be like "oh that's the message! that's the trigger!" or something. Instead it happened and......it happened lol. I think the whole season was a ton of good ideas overall (there's some misses there) but the execution and writing was subpar for most of them, and then halfway through they were like OH YEAH THIS IS HOW WE ACTUALLY DO THIS!!! The season is getting panned by the reviews right now and I definitely think the 40s-50s scores are way too fucking harsh. It's not a 90+ tier show this time around but it's at least a good 70-80 just marred with flawed execution and weird things. I might be out on season 3 unless they say it's like 6 episodes or something. I don't want random narrators again, I don't care for a big story again, especially what it'll probably revolve around. They ran through every storyline you can do for this type of show and did most of them well, and the loose ends I don't give a fuck about this time lol. The potential school shooting, what happened to Alex, the trial, etc. Were all interesting things to pick up on. The shit this time around? I really couldn't care less. If you removed the last like 5 minutes or whatever+gratuitous scene and shit that follows, I'd honestly have loved the episode as a series finale. Everything would have been wrapped up neatly, there's some solid endings for everyone involved, it just felt....right. Now I'm like...13 seasons why? |
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Post by Steve Nash on May 20, 2018 3:44:21 GMT
I just think there was probably a better thing to be gratuitous with, or a better way to use it for the episode. I dunno, it just seemed really out of place to me. I agree generally that things picked uo towards the end, and I think that the last episode started realllllly well...but it left me disappointed. Hoping season 3 learns from it It did given that the series as a whole is built around a singular gratuitous act: Hannah's suicide. Season 2 didn't show anything that bad, give any indication that it was gonna be that bad, or anything like that and that THAT randomly happens. And unlike her suicide, it's the basis for nothing lol. If it had lead to something I'd be more willing to be like "oh that's the message! that's the trigger!" or something. Instead it happened and......it happened lol. I think the whole season was a ton of good ideas overall (there's some misses there) but the execution and writing was subpar for most of them, and then halfway through they were like OH YEAH THIS IS HOW WE ACTUALLY DO THIS!!! The season is getting panned by the reviews right now and I definitely think the 40s-50s scores are way too fucking harsh. It's not a 90+ tier show this time around but it's at least a good 70-80 just marred with flawed execution and weird things. I might be out on season 3 unless they say it's like 6 episodes or something. I don't want random narrators again, I don't care for a big story again, especially what it'll probably revolve around. They ran through every storyline you can do for this type of show and did most of them well, and the loose ends I don't give a fuck about this time lol. The potential school shooting, what happened to Alex, the trial, etc. Were all interesting things to pick up on. The shit this time around? I really couldn't care less. If you removed the last like 5 minutes or whatever+gratuitous scene and shit that follows, I'd honestly have loved the episode as a series finale. Everything would have been wrapped up neatly, there's some solid endings for everyone involved, it just felt....right. Now I'm like...13 seasons why? Totally agree on the ~70-80 overall. I liked basically the whole thing because I love teen drama shows but it wasn't at the level of the first season. Minimizing the screen time of less relevant characters really helped towards the end imo, way tighter plot. I'll be interested to see what happens to the perpetrator of this season's gratuity, obviously nothing this season but I legit feel like it was way more fucked up even than anything Bryce did...like he's a sociopath most of the time and everything but he also seemed to have moments of lucidity, even if that was usually mixed with his self-serving rich boy shit. This seemed, to me, ugly in a way that Bryce's shit wasn't...I'm not really sure how to say it, tired as fuck after 9 hours on my feet, but it was so offputting, way beyond anything else I've seen in the series. {Spoiler}
Zach redeemed, love it. Justin, on his way-ish, but if he turns into a legit junkie he's dead to me. |
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Post by SugarHill on May 20, 2018 13:15:38 GMT
when bryce got choked out lol
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Post by SugarHill on May 20, 2018 13:27:28 GMT
first episode was nice. new girl hot. tyler is a true wasteman
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Post by Scottie4Hottie on May 24, 2018 1:31:46 GMT
Why are the raitings so low for season 2?
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Post by ballup on May 26, 2018 21:33:49 GMT
I‘m just finishing episode 6. Jess has been the MVP of the season. Alex‘s acting has been great too. I soured on Clay tho. I‘ve come around to Dempsey‘s arc (his arc with his mom is relatable without being stereotypical), but his secret relationship with Hannah somehow doesn't make sense. It feels very rewritten?
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Post by ballup on May 28, 2018 15:19:56 GMT
Finished season 2. - I know school shootings are a hot topic right now and the show doesn't want to cause more, but you can't pull punches if you are going to be a hard hitting show especially in that manner. Like seriously, Clay talks Tyler down? Wouldn't Tyler shoot Clay instead of sparing him given how Clay's actions increased the bullying onto Tyler? That just didn't make sense to me at all. Would really rather have the cliche where the season ends with Tyler coming to the end of the dance loaded and the screen fades to black while we hear a couple of gun shots and screams.
- Hated the Jess and Justin hooked up in the end. They're just doing that for unnecessary drama setup for next season.
- Kinda wished they gave Clay a scene to read the why not list
- I did like the direction where Bryce only gets a slap on the wrist, highlighting how unfair the legal system can be.
- Marcus dropped off the face of the planet in the last few episodes.
- I loved that one line from Jess' dad directed to Justin, "Hope you someday have a child to know how it feels to save her from the world". Hit me real good.
- The mop scene had too much.
- Not sure why Jess' friend was the one who stole the polaroids
- Felt like they should have shown Bryce being alienated the rest of the school year. There's no way the populous wouldn't turn on him after that trial.
- Showing everyone else's perspectives through the trial was a good move imo.
Overall I did like this season. I'm not too hyped for next season since Hannah's story is done and the direction of Clay sacrificing himself for no reason/Chloe being preggers/whatever plot they wanna throw at us. |
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Post by OutRosez on May 29, 2018 21:47:03 GMT
I know school shootings are a hot topic right now and the show doesn't want to cause more, but you can't pull punches if you are going to be a hard hitting show especially in that manner. Like seriously, Clay talks Tyler down? Wouldn't Tyler shoot Clay instead of sparing him given how Clay's actions increased the bullying onto Tyler? That just didn't make sense to me at all. Would really rather have the cliche where the season ends with Tyler coming to the end of the dance loaded and the screen fades to black while we hear a couple of gun shots and screams. A lot of people think they secretly reshot the ending, because of how nonsensical that resolution. Everyone has the same opinion as you though. I weirdly liked the Jessica and Justin hook up, with that said I'm biased because I want them both to be happy and I loved his redemption arc. I was totally expecting him to die in the finale so I was elated he got to hit that one last time, but then the last 30 seconds happened and yeah.... Kinda wished they gave Clay a scene to read the why not list This is such a glaring omission. If they really wanted to strike back against the mommies who don't want their babies to have suicidal thoughts, they should have done this, and then have Clay say something about how her depression clouded her mind from seeing the other reasons to live and then he names a few not corny reasons and it ends on a happier note. It would have been really beautiful to see that happen when he gives the speech at the church and then after that is when she walks out the door. Not sure why Jess' friend was the one who stole the polaroids Because seeing those wind up in court means she has to face what happened to her, and her attacker. I really liked this part, because it shows that her method of getting past her rape is that she just denies it every happened to anyone but herself and the women in the support group. She doesn't want to be known as a rape victim, she doesn't want justice, she just wants to live her life. I'm friends with a girl that was raped and that was pretty relatable to my friend's story except she eventually went public about the assault, so I assume that'll happen with Nina if she didn't burn all the polaroids. I think the story reason for Bryce is because they wanted him to get off. If he's ostracized for however long he's still at that school it is some form of punishment. Instead he keeps his lifestyle, his girl, doesn't go to jail, it doesn't go on his permanent record because of his age, and he even gets to play another year of baseball at the new school. I totally get where you're coming from though, I just think that's the direction they went in. They wanted to show justice isn't always fair or right which is why Justin got a worse punishment, because of his mother being an absentee even though Justin didn't do a lot wrong. He was willing to take the fall and get Jessica some modicum of justice that she wouldn't otherwise have gotten. |
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