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Post by OutRosez on Aug 3, 2017 20:45:09 GMT
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Post by OutRosez on Aug 3, 2017 21:11:28 GMT
oooooooooo 2 grand juries!
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Post by OutRosez on Aug 4, 2017 5:27:06 GMT
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Post by bladefd on Aug 4, 2017 6:15:30 GMT
I am starting to think someone a rung or 2 under Trump is going to be the fall person.. Presumably someone or multiple people Trump has already fired or will fire in the coming days. Keep an eye on who gets fired next or "resigns."
I don't think Trump is stupid enough to be directly involved in any dealings with Russia. He would have a middle man in his administration that allows him a way out because that person would be the scapegoat when shit hits the ceiling.
But if Trump IS directly involved then he is the dumbest son of a bitch the world has known. Conspiracy 101: do not be directly involved yourself if you want your own conspiracy to succeed.
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Post by OutRosez on Aug 4, 2017 6:47:11 GMT
I am starting to think someone a rung or 2 under Trump is going to be the fall person.. Presumably someone or multiple people Trump has already fired or will fire in the coming days. Keep an eye on who gets fired next or "resigns." I don't think Trump is stupid enough to be directly involved in any dealings with Russia. He would have a middle man in his administration that allows him a way out because that person would be the scapegoat when shit hits the ceiling. But if Trump IS directly involved then he is the dumbest son of a bitch the world has known. Conspiracy 101: do not be directly involved yourself if you want your own conspiracy to succeed. If there's a god, I'll become a believer if it's either Ivanka or Melania that rats him out.
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Post by OutRosez on Oct 30, 2017 16:00:09 GMT
Finally, a reason to update! Big Bailiff Bob finally charged someone. Trump's former campaign manager. There's nothing surprising about that. People knew Manafort was paid off years ago. The documents just show that he was in way deeper shit (60 million!?!?!?!!) with a Russian oligarch than was previously thought. And he was way better at laundering money than given credit for, 18 million is a nice chunk of change. No real mention of Trump here, so largely blah stuff that we already knew anyway but it's a start. Anyway that shit's boring. That's just the potatoes. The steak is this other guy: Papadopoulos Charged with lying to the FBI, admitted it, and is talking with Big Bailiff Bob about it as we speak. He's a trump foreign policy advisor from the campaign days. He struck a plea deal so he's presumably ratting out other shit in the campaign right now. This is significantly more interesting for a variety of reasons. First, what he did. Admitting he lied about that means he's willing to squeal about other stuff. But the bigger and more meaningful thing is that Mueller didn't have to reveal this. This guy was charged the first week of the month and he unsealed him today. Mueller is tipping his hand for two reasons: One to show that the focus is still on the Trump campaign and he's not done there. And two he's willing to talk to and work with anyone willing to talk. That's pretty big because he's by all accounts been trying to flip Manafort (Or Flynn) for months. If this guy gets him somewhere that's great but if he can lead to a bigger fish that's even better. Trump's reaction. He's meeting with Sessions right now. Paul Ryan: This is gonna derail what we're doing in Congress right now. No tax cuts for the rich Marco Rubio is nowhere to be seen. 538 is killing coverage more than normal fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/manafort-indictment-trump-russia/ (live blog) fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-reactions-to-the-manafort-indictment-that-really-matter/ I'd argue a couple more than that but this is probably the ones that matter most.
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Post by OutRosez on Oct 30, 2017 16:27:18 GMT
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Post by OutRosez on Oct 30, 2017 16:29:24 GMT
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Post by OutRosez on Oct 30, 2017 16:32:28 GMT
Speculative: but probably not wrong.
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Post by OutRosez on Oct 30, 2017 16:36:06 GMT
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Post by bladefd on Oct 30, 2017 18:38:21 GMT
....in the meantime, Sarah Sanders and white house has a briefing focused on tax reform. She told some random ass story about the reason for tax cuts is to stop people from leaving the country. A RANDOM STORY right after 3 fairly big arrests lmao. Major deflection with the reason being that Papadoulos had nothing to do with the campaign.
White House narrative propaganda is in during the media briefing questioning. If we are to believe these fools, Papadoulos was a loose cannon and had nothing to do with the campaign. He "supposedly" was just a volunteer and never taken seriously. The email responses by some supervisor show otherwise. Sarah Sanders deflects back to opening an investigation into Hillary and the democrats for colluding with Russia lol. They distanced themselves and specifically Trump from having any contact with the 3 arrested.
I don't think Mueller will nail Trump himself because I truly don't think Trump is stupid enough to contact Russian officials directly or meet with them. It would be one of his pawns underneath him. And those pawns will take the fall for it. Guys like Papadoulos and Manafort. Trump will have no direct connections himself. Mueller will have to get Trump on fraud, money laundering and past fraudulent business dealings imo. Or if they can find hard evidence for things in the dossier.
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Post by OutRosez on Oct 30, 2017 18:40:40 GMT
Trump's going down for obstruction of justice, the questions are when? And will the Republicans impeach for it? I mean he committed the textbook definition of it, did the same thing that Nixon did, and he even admitted he obstructed in the Lester Holt interview.
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Post by bladefd on Oct 30, 2017 18:56:52 GMT
Trump's going down for obstruction of justice, the questions are when? And will the Republicans impeach for it? I mean he committed the textbook definition of it, did the same thing that Nixon did, and he even admitted he obstructed in the Lester Holt interview. Nothing yet on that by Mueller - I am sure they considered it. I don't think that stands on its own in a Republican dominated Congress though. There would need to be other charges to go with it to push the moderates Republicans into going after Trump. They won't turn on just 1 single charge.
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Post by bladefd on Oct 30, 2017 19:02:04 GMT
Speculative: but probably not wrong. Thinking of meeting is not the same as meeting though. On the other hand, I am sure some lowly member from Trump campaign met with the Russians. Trump will distance himself from whoever it is, if he hasn't already. Mueller will have to figure out who that someone is.
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Post by bladefd on Oct 30, 2017 19:06:55 GMT
 ^_^
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Post by OutRosez on Oct 30, 2017 19:17:40 GMT
Trump's going down for obstruction of justice, the questions are when? And will the Republicans impeach for it? I mean he committed the textbook definition of it, did the same thing that Nixon did, and he even admitted he obstructed in the Lester Holt interview. Nothing yet on that by Mueller - I am sure they considered it. I don't think that stands on its own in a Republican dominated Congress though. There would need to be other charges to go with it to push the moderates Republicans into going after Trump. They won't turn on just 1 single charge. And that's how our democracy dies. Everything happening today and in the near future concerning Trump is of relevance. Everything that happened today is that there's proof that people in his campaign colluded, wanted to collude, and surrounded themselves with people who wanted to collude and could keep quiet. It's up to the right wing media, and members of the GOP to end the partisanship and do something about it. It's clear now that Russia wanted to and did aid Trump whether he knew it or not. If the WashingtonPost tape from months ago is to be believed the leadership knew about it, and did nothing. If they still do nothing, our democracy dies. Whether or not Mueller brings it forth today, tomorrow, or next year he did it. He admitted to it, and there's no reason not to bring the charge, the question is like you said what charges go with it? There's 10 Senators that never supported Trump and were vocal critics (Sasse, Collins, Murkowski, McCain, Flake, etc the usual names). Add that to the 48 caucus members of the Democrats and you're up 58 assuming they'd all vote to take him out. And in Corker's vote and you're at 59. You just need 8 more to take him out in the Senate. The House is a clusterfuck so there's no point in doing the math there. But after 2018 you can get the simple majority in the House pretty easy for Democrats. Even though Flake and Corker are gone you're still at 57 and need 10 assuming you hold the court in your seats(and democrats should especially since Flake and Heller's seats are going blue so they can lose a couple like Heitkamp and Donnelley). I think you can peel off 10 who would be worried about their jobs in 2020/have morals/believe in the Constitution/etc etc.
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Post by OutRosez on Oct 30, 2017 19:23:43 GMT
1 for Flynn, 1 for Sessions, 1 for Kushner and I doubt it but it could be the other is Trump for obstruction (and anything else he has proof of for sure) in case he suddenly starts pardoning people Mueller could pull it and force Congress to act.
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Post by OutRosez on Oct 30, 2017 19:25:59 GMT
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Post by bladefd on Oct 30, 2017 21:29:54 GMT
Nothing yet on that by Mueller - I am sure they considered it. I don't think that stands on its own in a Republican dominated Congress though. There would need to be other charges to go with it to push the moderates Republicans into going after Trump. They won't turn on just 1 single charge. And that's how our democracy dies. Everything happening today and in the near future concerning Trump is of relevance. Everything that happened today is that there's proof that people in his campaign colluded, wanted to collude, and surrounded themselves with people who wanted to collude and could keep quiet. It's up to the right wing media, and members of the GOP to end the partisanship and do something about it. It's clear now that Russia wanted to and did aid Trump whether he knew it or not. If the WashingtonPost tape from months ago is to be believed the leadership knew about it, and did nothing. If they still do nothing, our democracy dies. Whether or not Mueller brings it forth today, tomorrow, or next year he did it. He admitted to it, and there's no reason not to bring the charge, the question is like you said what charges go with it? There's 10 Senators that never supported Trump and were vocal critics (Sasse, Collins, Murkowski, McCain, Flake, etc the usual names). Add that to the 48 caucus members of the Democrats and you're up 58 assuming they'd all vote to take him out. And in Corker's vote and you're at 59. You just need 8 more to take him out in the Senate. The House is a clusterfuck so there's no point in doing the math there. But after 2018 you can get the simple majority in the House pretty easy for Democrats. Even though Flake and Corker are gone you're still at 57 and need 10 assuming you hold the court in your seats(and democrats should especially since Flake and Heller's seats are going blue so they can lose a couple like Heitkamp and Donnelley). I think you can peel off 10 who would be worried about their jobs in 2020/have morals/believe in the Constitution/etc etc. I understand your points and I agree with you without a doubt. In the end though, it is still difficult to prove Trump was wanting to collude himself or actually did collude himself. Surrounding yourself with people who want to collude doesn't prove you as candidate Trump did in fact collude or had intent to collude. This is exactly why one of the emails to Papadoulos from the unnamed Trump campaign official said that dt won't meet with Russians but someone around him should. You can get everyone around Trump including Jeff Sessions, but the big shark Donald J Trump will be hard to take down. Just hope that someone like Sessions or someone has actual evidence if they decide to sing. You might be able to get Trump on a conspiracy charge or something if Sessions turns on Trump. We will see everyone around Trump go down though in the coming days or weeks.
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Post by bladefd on Oct 30, 2017 21:32:38 GMT
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Post by OutRosez on Oct 30, 2017 21:38:28 GMT
And that's how our democracy dies. Everything happening today and in the near future concerning Trump is of relevance. Everything that happened today is that there's proof that people in his campaign colluded, wanted to collude, and surrounded themselves with people who wanted to collude and could keep quiet. It's up to the right wing media, and members of the GOP to end the partisanship and do something about it. It's clear now that Russia wanted to and did aid Trump whether he knew it or not. If the WashingtonPost tape from months ago is to be believed the leadership knew about it, and did nothing. If they still do nothing, our democracy dies. Whether or not Mueller brings it forth today, tomorrow, or next year he did it. He admitted to it, and there's no reason not to bring the charge, the question is like you said what charges go with it? There's 10 Senators that never supported Trump and were vocal critics (Sasse, Collins, Murkowski, McCain, Flake, etc the usual names). Add that to the 48 caucus members of the Democrats and you're up 58 assuming they'd all vote to take him out. And in Corker's vote and you're at 59. You just need 8 more to take him out in the Senate. The House is a clusterfuck so there's no point in doing the math there. But after 2018 you can get the simple majority in the House pretty easy for Democrats. Even though Flake and Corker are gone you're still at 57 and need 10 assuming you hold the court in your seats(and democrats should especially since Flake and Heller's seats are going blue so they can lose a couple like Heitkamp and Donnelley). I think you can peel off 10 who would be worried about their jobs in 2020/have morals/believe in the Constitution/etc etc. I understand your points and I agree with you without a doubt. In the end though, it is still difficult to prove Trump was wanting to collude himself or actually did collude himself. Surrounding yourself with people who want to collude doesn't prove you as candidate Trump did in fact collude or had intent to collude. This is exactly why one of the emails to Papadoulos from the unnamed Trump campaign official said that dt won't meet with Russians but someone around him should. You can get everyone around Trump including Jeff Sessions, but the big shark Donald J Trump will be hard to take down. Just hope that someone like Sessions or someone has actual evidence if they decide to sing. You might be able to get Trump on a conspiracy charge or something if Sessions turns on Trump. We will see everyone around Trump go down though in the coming days or weeks. I actually think it's gonna be easy to prove. These people are career lobbyist/politicians and are all significantly smarter than Trump. I mean they're all dimmed lightbulbs, but my point is he's not smart enough to cover his tracks and even if he was. He's too full of himself to believe he'd be caught. It's all circumstance but I'm willing to bet he's left shit hang out somewhere. Especially since he's meeting with people today involved in it.
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Post by bladefd on Oct 31, 2017 0:53:30 GMT
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Post by OutRosez on Nov 1, 2017 4:41:15 GMT
Minor news: Mueller is gonna talk to Hope Hicks next.
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 16, 2018 21:43:18 GMT
Big day and for relatively unnoticed reasons but we'll talk about the big news first because that sets up this juicy juicy steak. This is so spicy, I'm not a typical white boy anymore. So the big news is that Mueller indicted 13 Russians who were working with the campaign to change people's minds and sow division in the country. Rosenstein was careful to note two very important things. 1. That there's no proof that this influenced the election (can argue either way but since we'll never really know barring something massive it's gonna be a subjective thing). and more importantly: 2. That no Americans were being arrested and charged today because they were "unwitting" participants in the campaign. The keyword is unwitting, that means they weren't fully aware of what was happening, and how deep/serious it really was. Put a pin in this because we're coming back to it in just a couple short paragraphs. Mueller then announced later the arrest of a California man, Pinedo, who pleaded guilty already. So right away Mueller just took the second part of Rosenstein's statement and turned it away because of what Pinedo did. According to the statement he was stealing American identities and giving them to Russians. Bank account info, SS, name, address, etc.That's fraud, identity theft, and a few other charges. (put a pin in this too). He pleaded guilty and is working with Mueller, and the big part is that he didn't disclose everything he knows about it, and that the deal seems to indicate he committed other crimes but this was enough to get him a decent bargain deal, and to continue building a case about what Russia was doing with the campaign. circumstantial stuff that may have no real bearing on anything but just might: A certain someone changed his financial info in January to include additional assets. And then there's this from last month, Kushner lenders and investors subpoena'd by US Tax Authorities. Related? Maybe, maybe not we'll see. But given Pinedo's money laundering, Kushner's assets changing and this all coming out in the same week it looks suspicious. But what we do know is this: and Which if you don't read between the lines is funny, but given his email history with the Russians he probably was more witting than unwitting.
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Post by bladefd on Feb 16, 2018 22:19:23 GMT
OutRosezNotice how we didn't hear a word about these indictments coming through? Mueller has no leaks. We are only seeing what they want us to see when they want us to see. Hell, Trump and Congress had no idea until this morning's briefing with them having top security clearances. That is huge and big reason why Trump is freaking out - he has zero control over the situation/case. No leaks is very rare in this day and age. Speaks volumes about the sort of tight-lipped case Mueller is running here.
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Post by tsk on Feb 16, 2018 22:53:13 GMT
Hot diggity dam
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Post by bladefd on Feb 16, 2018 22:59:38 GMT
Thought you no longer cared about American politics? 
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Post by tsk on Feb 16, 2018 23:00:18 GMT
Thought you no longer cared about American politics?  I love drama
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Post by bladefd on Feb 17, 2018 0:58:28 GMT
Thought you no longer cared about American politics?  I love drama So you are one of those cats?? 
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Post by bladefd on Feb 17, 2018 7:23:17 GMT
OutRosezYou know what really bothers me in all this? The Russian government has plausible deniability, those Russian individuals will never be punished, the Americans they used to set the fake rallies had zero clue they were being used, the fake accounts they created were stolen information of legitimate Americans so those guys are compromised. Russians got what they wanted - US in chaos under Trump. We also know they will be back again this year (they probably are) and the next presidential election. THEY WON! What the fuck happens to democracy now? It was taken through hell with the use of social media and going forward, we have no way of knowing whether an account is legitimate or something conjured up by Russian agents. Can you ever even trust the Russians aren't involved in future elections? Lol.. I don't know how you counter this sort of war moving forward. They could just setup vpns and simulate being American or hell, hire Americans who have no idea they are being used. And all it took was $1.5 million to severely damage democracy in this country. No superspook cold war KGB/CIA spy shit, no crazy funding, no secret weapon, no science tech, not even a big number of staff. Just a relatively small group of people in a few offices somewhere in Russia severely damaged democracy. Putin probably laughing his way to sleep every day since Nov 9 2016.
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