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Post by bladefd on Jan 31, 2018 21:57:40 GMT
Bernie was well respected by both sides of the aisle in Senate for many years. You think he has become the most hated Senator recently? lolwut, no he wasn't/isn't. Dems and reps both hate him. Not true. Bernie has always been partisan, no doubt, but lets not act as if he was the most hated Senator or something - for that, you have to look at Ted Cruz or something. Sanders is a likable guy and open about his views; whether you agree with him or not is a different story. Even McCain talked highly of Sanders as a genuine honest person, and we know McCain and Sanders would rarely see eye to eye on majority of issues. www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/bernie-sanders-is-a-loud-stubborn-socialist-republicans-like-him-anyway/450597/
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Post by bladefd on Feb 1, 2018 7:32:40 GMT
I have never seen a federal agency openly and publicly refute (call out is more proper term) the president like this before. This is truly becoming messy. The president is trying to use this memo as the basis to fire Rosenstein then he can appoint someone who I suspect will directly go after Mueller investigation. This is going to become even more messy. I hope Mueller can wrap up soon before we reach that point.
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 1, 2018 7:40:37 GMT
I have never seen a federal agency openly and publicly refute (call out is more proper term) the president like this before. This is truly becoming messy. The president is trying to use this memo as the basis to fire Rosenstein then he can appoint someone who I suspect will directly go after Mueller investigation. This is going to become even more messy. I hope Mueller can wrap up soon before we reach that point. Trump knows his time is running out or at least Mueller is closing in. Nunes apparently altered the memo today/yesterday (the timeline is murky), Hope Hicks might be going down for obstruction with trump, and (again) trump asked an FBI member if he was on his side. In this case Rosenstein, although that was some time ago. This is crazy at this point, and we're still, as of this post, about 36 hours away from the big friday news dump!!!!!!!
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Post by bladefd on Feb 1, 2018 8:53:00 GMT
I have never seen a federal agency openly and publicly refute (call out is more proper term) the president like this before. This is truly becoming messy. The president is trying to use this memo as the basis to fire Rosenstein then he can appoint someone who I suspect will directly go after Mueller investigation. This is going to become even more messy. I hope Mueller can wrap up soon before we reach that point. Trump knows his time is running out or at least Mueller is closing in. Nunes apparently altered the memo today/yesterday (the timeline is murky), Hope Hicks might be going down for obstruction with trump, and (again) trump asked an FBI member if he was on his side. In this case Rosenstein, although that was some time ago. This is crazy at this point, and we're still, as of this post, about 36 hours away from the big friday news dump!!!!!!! Yeah, I believe Trump asked Rosenstein himself if he was on Trump's side. I am not sure when that was - before Mueller was appointed or afterwards. Still can be used in a court against Trump. I also heard last night on nbc right after SOTU address that Trump’s lawyers don't want Trump to give a direct interview under oath to Mueller. They must realize Trump is a loose cannon and could blow everything in interview. They want the questions to be submitted on paper and then Trump would respond on paper. That's insane! He would probably sit down with his lawyer team, and they would put some nonsense together lol. Jeez. So much for Trump saying he will openly interview under oath with Mueller.
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Post by bladefd on Feb 2, 2018 7:52:12 GMT
If this memo somehow leads to Trump firing Rosenstein and Trump's nomination fires Mueller, I will be shocked and angry. The memo has absolutely nothing to do with Mueller or his investigation. Memo has completely to do with how the FBI investigation was started in summer 2016 while Obama was still president. Mueller investigation is a completely separate investigation started after the FBI investigation was stopped through the firing of Comey. The only thing even related is that Mueller's staff has some FBI agents so some of the funding/manhours comes from FBI. That's the only connection.
Even if we overlook all that, the information portrayed in the memo is based on material that is highly classified, not being released to the public. So we don't have any idea what evidence backs up the points in the memo and how much of the memo is conjecture. The guy who wrote the memo Nunes supposedly doesn't have access to that classified material lol. Nunes also recused himself from the Russia investigation due to conflict of interests yet continues to be at the center of the investigation time and time again.
It's insane how far Republicans are willing to go to defend Trump. It should be clear by now to anyone even paying attention to this case that Trump's goal is to get Mueller fired to save his own skin. He knows he can't fire Mueller directly without major repercussions (obstruction of justice) so he is trying to get one of his goons to do it.
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Post by bladefd on Feb 2, 2018 23:54:52 GMT
OutRosez Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 tsk others Thoughts on the memo? I don't see the huge furor over it. I don't see how it helps Trump. This somehow stopping the investigation is laughable. What I got out of it: -Christopher Steele went against FBI wishes and leaked stuff to the media -Steele showed bias against Trump and had funding from Clinton campaign -Page and Strzok didn't like Trump due to their texts -FISA warrant was built on basis of Steele dossier (keep in mind it was a very different investigation than Mueller investigation) For others who haven't seen it yet: www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses#from_embedDumbasses like this making a mountain out of stuff we already knew:
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Post by tsk on Feb 2, 2018 23:57:03 GMT
I no longer care about American politics
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 3, 2018 1:03:56 GMT
OutRosez Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 tsk others Thoughts on the memo? I don't see the huge furor over it. I don't see how it helps Trump. This somehow stopping the investigation is laughable. What I got out of it: -Christopher Steele went against FBI wishes and leaked stuff to the media -Steele showed bias against Trump and had funding from Clinton campaign -Page and Strzok didn't like Trump due to their texts -FISA warrant was built on basis of Steele dossier (keep in mind it was a very different investigation than Mueller investigation) For others who haven't seen it yet: www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses#from_embedDumbasses like this making a mountain out of stuff we already knew: Unsurprisingly it just wants to smear Trump's enemies. It (largely) isn't anything we didn't already know though. It'd be nice if this led to people hating the FISA system though. It won't happen probably, but it'd be nice if we had to get rid of it because of this scandal.
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Post by bladefd on Feb 3, 2018 1:42:11 GMT
I no longer care about American politics Ya man, I get you. We are kind of f*cked as a country. Way too partisan that I'm sure it's hit frustration levels at this point over the absurdity of it all.
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Feb 3, 2018 20:06:29 GMT
They didnt actually spy on trump though, right? I mean, this came out forever ago and was supposedly BS, right?
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Post by bladefd on Feb 3, 2018 21:05:18 GMT
They didnt actually spy on trump though, right? I mean, this came out forever ago and was supposedly BS, right? Not on Trump. But it was on Carter Page starting in October 2016 after he left the campaign so it was after the campaign. It had leaked already so we knew, now it's in writing. But it wasn't while Page was with the campaign so I don't even see what this memo has to do with Trump or Mueller's investigation.. Baffling why Republicans made a huge fuss about this.. Politics is completely fucked in US
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Post by bladefd on Feb 5, 2018 23:53:13 GMT
OutRosez Trump has to approve it, and he will. More drama. 
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 5, 2018 23:58:50 GMT
OutRosez Trump has to approve it, and he will. More drama.  I'm gonna go the opposite way: Trump SHOULD have to release it but won't. He's not the kind of guy to do that. I'd be really shocked if he signed off on it. If he does it hurts his "credibility" with his fake news, liberal media, democrats shadow government shit.
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Post by bladefd on Feb 6, 2018 0:18:40 GMT
OutRosez Trump has to approve it, and he will. More drama. I'm gonna go the opposite way: Trump SHOULD have to release it but won't. He's not the kind of guy to do that. I'd be really shocked if he signed off on it. If he does it hurts his "credibility" with his fake news, liberal media, democrats shadow government shit. Imagine the damage if he denies release though. He is in a lose-lose situation. He even got into a pissing rant against Schiff this morning at 4am.  4am rant.. This guy doesn't seem to learn...
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Feb 6, 2018 2:39:43 GMT
Why the fuck would he release it? lol. He has nothing to gain. People who love him will still love him, and people who hate him will just have more ammo.
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Post by bladefd on Feb 6, 2018 7:16:20 GMT
Why the fuck would he release it? lol. He has nothing to gain. People who love him will still love him, and people who hate him will just have more ammo. It will hurt him in his own party though because they voted to release the memo unanimously (GOP majority too). Rare for unanimous vote for anything nowadays. I mean ya Trump still does what he wants to do without anybody's approval so idk, maybe he won't give a crap what his party thinks. There are other ways to release it though but as Congress you would have to override the president, which is nothing to sneeze at. I have never heard of that sort of thing happening.
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Post by bladefd on Feb 10, 2018 7:07:00 GMT
Another week, another Trump administration scandal. This time with Rob Porter, a White house aide for being a wifebeater. Hope Hicks right in the middle of it as we found out she was banging Porter. Trump pissed at Porter for the allegations, Hicks for defending Porter & drafting a statement defending Porter without Trump's permission, and General Kelly for hiring Porter lol.
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Post by bladefd on Feb 10, 2018 7:22:39 GMT
OutRosez Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫Democrat memo blocked by Trump. You guys were right. Boy, Trump is even more foolish than I thought. He and his counsel wants more redactions from the memo. Now this gets tricky. Democrats can either do more redactions and try again or go to the House of Reps for a full vote to override the President. Democrats would have to go through a tough process to do that. Democrats are really going to use this as they should. Bring this up to the House floor for a vote. Let's see how many Republicans vote for release. Whoever votes to not release, you put them to the fire heading towards this year's elections. Then you do a few redactions while sitting down with the FBI, and send it through the president again. It would make Trump look real bad to keep denying the release.
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 10, 2018 7:25:59 GMT
Another week, another Trump administration scandal. This time with Rob Porter, a White house aide for being a wifebeater. Hope Hicks right in the middle of it as we found out she was banging Porter. Trump pissed at Porter for the allegations, Hicks for defending Porter & drafting a statement defending Porter without Trump's permission, and General Kelly for hiring Porter lol. As a person who has a crush on her career basically, I have a hard time believing the rumors she was sleeping with Porter. She's an incredibly brilliant person, I can't imagine her fucking up her career that way. Trump affair? i'd buy that because it's a power move. The semi-substantiated rumors she's involved with the obstruction of justice? I can somewhat buy that. Her being a homewrecker? Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 10, 2018 7:27:55 GMT
OutRosez Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 Democrat memo blocked by Trump. You guys were right. Boy, Trump is even more foolish than I thought. He and his counsel wants more redactions from the memo. Now this gets tricky. Democrats can either do more redactions and try again or go to the House of Reps for a full vote to override the President. Democrats would have to go through a tough process to do that. Democrats are really going to use this as they should. Bring this up to the House floor for a vote. Let's see how many Republicans vote for release. Whoever votes to not release, you put them to the fire heading towards this year's elections. Then you do a few redactions while sitting down with the FBI, and send it through the president again. It would make Trump look real bad to keep denying the release. They (dems) really have nothing to gain probably. We already know the nunes memo was hilariously false and just an attack on the institutions because hail fuhrer, and the dem one supposedly just states the truth and gets out some more Russia stuff. I wouldn't be too surprised if Axios gets a hold of the dem memo since they're really well sourced in the white house and they take the risk of leaking it to the public somehow.
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 10, 2018 7:30:45 GMT
One of Trump's speechwriters has resigned too because he's an abuser. Weird scandal so far for Trump because it's a pretty normal-ish thing in comparison to everything else he's involved in. And so far he hasn't given a major gaffe on it. Although he came within inches of giving a "there's fine people on both sides" for abusers today. Give it a couple more days I guess.
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Feb 10, 2018 16:56:57 GMT
Boi, they actually spied on the trump administration based on a supper iffy document funded by the clinton campaign. Give me a break with "hilariously false" All of that stuff is true lol.
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 10, 2018 19:49:47 GMT
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Feb 10, 2018 19:53:37 GMT
Any way you want to spin it, they used information funded by the clinton campaign to spy on trump's campaign staffer.
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 10, 2018 20:04:42 GMT
Any way you want to spin it, they used information funded by the clinton campaign to spy on trump's campaign staffer. they literally only spied on Carter Page and Papadapa because he bragged about it. Sure they then used the steele dossier (most of which has been verified at this point) so it really doesn't matter. There's a reason why people are pleading guilty to Mueller, and working with him.
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Feb 10, 2018 20:17:00 GMT
Any way you want to spin it, they used information funded by the clinton campaign to spy on trump's campaign staffer. they literally only spied on Carter Page and Papadapa because he bragged about it. Sure they then used the steele dossier (most of which has been verified at this point) so it really doesn't matter. There's a reason why people are pleading guilty to Mueller, and working with him. Youre connecting things that aren't relevant to each other.
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 10, 2018 20:22:42 GMT
they literally only spied on Carter Page and Papadapa because he bragged about it. Sure they then used the steele dossier (most of which has been verified at this point) so it really doesn't matter. There's a reason why people are pleading guilty to Mueller, and working with him. Youre connecting things that aren't relevant to each other. Which is different from you ignoring obvious facts how?
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Feb 10, 2018 20:46:39 GMT
Youre connecting things that aren't relevant to each other. Which is different from you ignoring obvious facts how? Im not ignoring facts. Im just saying they used information funded by the hillary campaign as a pretense to wiretap people who worked for trump. Bar none. Thats stupid. Especially with how sketchy it was.
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Post by OutRosez on Feb 10, 2018 21:07:56 GMT
Which is different from you ignoring obvious facts how? Im not ignoring facts. Im just saying they used information funded by the hillary campaign as a pretense to wiretap people who worked for trump. Bar none. Thats stupid. Especially with how sketchy it was. The steele dossier has been mostly independently verified. AGAIN they did NOT use the steele dossier to wiretap people who worked for trump. They originally wiretapped Manafort all the way back in 2014, and then again at some point in 2016 which we don't know entirely when (we'll come back to this) Immediately after Hillary lost she and the DNC pulled funding from Steele and the rest of the dossier was funded by some rich dude and Fusion GPS. Steele kept keeping tabs on Trump associates whereabouts and misdoings for a time after that (I forgot when but its in the dossier) but sometime in 2017. Hillary and the DNC paid The Clinton campaign and the DNC, through the law firm, continued to fund Fusion GPS’s research through the end of October 2016, days before Election Day. link
link So that leaves one month where Hillary/DNC probably had no reason to fund it for whatever reason. Even though opposition research is totally cool and I don't get why you're squeamish about it. Although if dude is willing to tell random US allies that in a London bar I'm sure he was talking beforehand but I can't prove that, so I'll give you the april funding argument. But....there's also the fact that Manafort went to Russia 19 times after 2014 despite having absolutely no reason to once the Ukranian president was ousted (which was his buddy he supposedly worked for/with) link Including multiple times around when and just before he became the campaign chairman. But the FBI had a ton of reason to investigate/wiretap given that the FBI and others had independently verified parts of the dossier at the time, and it came from a US ally. What we do know is that Papadapa had already met with "the professor" and was bragging about the info Russia had. Then there's JR's emails to the Kremlin about hacking the DNC and of course that is followed up a month later by Trump telling Russia to hack on national TV. Given that, and what we know Obama knew about the election and Russian interference, the FBI probably had some good reason to wiretap regardless. Given all that, I don't see how you can get upset about Manafort being wiretapped. If it's someone else tell me who and I'll gladly give you more articles on why they probably did.
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Post by Skipping February🚧✊🏿🚫 on Feb 10, 2018 21:12:52 GMT
Im not. Im not okay with it be used as the basis for a warrant. The wiretap in itself I really have no problem with. Im only really aware of its relation to page, not manafort.
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