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Post by coopernicus on Jul 11, 2016 1:42:53 GMT
He really picked the Flash under these conditions Speed Force keeps Barry protected while running, hence why friction/air resistance don't roast his skin off. How is Jugs gonna deal with wading through lava pools? Barry with the running around in circles while Jugs sinks in a lava pit stomp
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 1:59:58 GMT
Juggernut is prepped so he's going to set up his force field which will protect him. He's durability is strong enough not to really get effected by the lava on the ground. Also Flash would stand no chance going through his force field.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 2:02:38 GMT
Stop thor hammer dead in it's tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 2:09:37 GMT
Also I would love to see the Flash running on lava if these scans exist.
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Post by coopernicus on Jul 11, 2016 13:11:20 GMT
Also I would love to see the Flash running on lava if these scans exist. So, what's your issue with him being able to run on lava? He's run on weird-ass surfaces left and right (like clouds, water, etc.)...See first two below scans. Barry is extremely good at improvising and running on whatever he needs to. Even if he stayes on the ground, I disagree that he can't deal with the heat from the lava...Because running faster than the speed of sound creates enormous amounts of friction, which would tear Barry's feet/body apart due to heat if not for the using the speed force to protect him. Is there an existing scan showing Barry incapable of running on lava? nope. Just because he hasn't done it, doesn't mean he can't. I'll throw this back at you...Is there a scan showing Juggernaut able to move through pools of lava with his forcefields up? I'd be really interested in seeing that, otherwise I'm assuming Jugs is going to sink to the bottom of a lava pit, his forcefields will eventually weaken due to crushing pressure, heat, and lack of oxygen and he'll be KO'd by inhaling lava. Juggernaut is way to effing slow to even process Barry doing anything.
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Post by coopernicus on Jul 11, 2016 13:14:47 GMT
I actually found a scan of Jugs trying to run through lava...didn't end very well for him.
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Post by coopernicus on Jul 11, 2016 13:17:46 GMT
How is Juggernaut going to build momentum on this battlefield?
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Post by Bob on Jul 11, 2016 13:44:33 GMT
Zoom is faster than Hal Jordan and has proven the ability to break out of his constructs. Since this is strictly one on one, Zoom has the winning advantage.
Cassandra Nova Xaver is faster, stronger and far more cunning than forfeit.
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Post by Bob on Jul 11, 2016 13:55:50 GMT
Starbrand is a one trick pony. All hes delt with is manipulation of energy. Starbrand hasnt dealt with a magic aficionado like Baron Mordo. A couple of agamoto spells that will get SB all shook up like he tends to get.
Then Exodus is the one to finish him off with his equal usage of energy absorption and projection. Plus, he also has his ability to attack astral.
The duo will be too overwhelming for Starbrand who becomes discombobulated during stressful situations.
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Post by coopernicus on Jul 11, 2016 13:58:23 GMT
Starbrand is a one trick pony. All hes delt with is manipulation of energy. Starbrand hasnt dealt with a magic aficionado like Baron Mordo. A couple of agamoto spells that will get SB all shook up like he tends to get. Then Exodus is the one to finish him off with his equal usage of energy absorption and projection. Plus, he also has his ability to attack astral. The duo will be too overwhelming for Starbrand who becomes discombobulated during stressful situations. Zen going for the verbiage stomp
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 15:07:05 GMT
Juggernut has prep so he would most likely start on higher ground to get a advantage. Flash would most likey think he's a typical brick and run up to him. He will not realize Juggernuts force field until it too late.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 15:11:14 GMT
Juggernut force field stops any momentum coming at him like when it thors hammer dead in it's tracks.
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Post by coopernicus on Jul 11, 2016 15:26:21 GMT
Juggernut force field stops any momentum coming at him like when it thors hammer dead in it's tracks. Did you not see my scan of Juggernaut sinking in lava? I just don't see a way that Jugs can touch the Flash. Flash eventually wins when Jugs force field wears out and Jugs isn't able to build momentum by running through lava pits. Barry can also phase through energy-projections and solid matter (such as GL Constructs...see below). I don't know much about Jugs force field, but it's definitely possible that Barry can phase through it and get to Jugs underneath the armour and force field. Barry with the repeated phase-through eye poke FTW
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 15:44:02 GMT
I also can say the same with Flash how can he put down juggernut? There's really no limit on how long he can have his force field up.
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Post by coopernicus on Jul 11, 2016 16:03:58 GMT
I also can say the same with Flash how can he put down juggernut? There's really no limit on how long he can have his force field up. Yeah, I think we'll kinda just keep arguing in circles. I need to hear some input from the judges to know if I should keep going
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 16:18:59 GMT
What if neither can kill or ko the other and the planet blows up killing them both. Though I think Juggernut might have a better shot a surviving
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Post by coopernicus on Jul 11, 2016 16:33:41 GMT
I still think Flash outlasts Jugs' forcefield though......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 17:44:45 GMT
I actually found a scan of Jugs trying to run through lava...didn't end very well for him.
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Post by coopernicus on Jul 11, 2016 17:52:51 GMT
I actually found a scan of Jugs trying to run through lava...didn't end very well for him. you left off the scan!
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Post by Bob on Jul 11, 2016 18:55:06 GMT
you left off the scan! So what youre saying is that Juggs is going to be all like:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 21:24:13 GMT
you left off the scan! More like
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 21:28:53 GMT
Also Juggernut is 9ft so it's not like he will sink right immediately. Here he is running under ground and gets to the surface by breaking through many tons of rock.
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Post by Rondo on Jul 12, 2016 3:33:39 GMT
Onslaught will use his telapathy to mind control Gladiator and stomp him. Easy victory. Big thing between Ultron and Cale is that Ultron can fly, cable will be stuck on the ground with molten lava surrounding him...nothig he can really prep to get away from that. Hi Rondo ! I think it is tough to argue gladiator would beat onslaught, just bad matchup. As for the other one, I think Cable prepped can handle it. By the way, he can fly too through levitation, bit like Magneto. "Telekinetic Flight: By levitating himself, he can "fly" for very long distances and at varying speeds" source: marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Nathan_Summers_(Earth-616)Cable uses science, technology, and engineering to take down his opponents. Huge tide turning event is Ultron is a machine. BOOOOM. Ulton gets his circuitry exploding in mid-flight before he even reaches Cable. One of ultron's weaknesses: "Ultron's non-adamantium parts can be destroyed, meaning that he can be defeated by foes with shrinking powers who can easily attack his non-adamantium parts." Prepped Cable can handle that by sending out surges that target non-adamantium parts. Cable also can send psionic spikes to overload Ultron's circuitry. So Cable can use telekinesis to take apart ultron by altering his molecular structures. Furthermore, Cable also has at his disposal his artificial intelligence Belle, which can continuously try to hack Ultron while helping Cable think like a robot to use his brilliant intelligence in figuring out tactics on the fly. Since Cable is prepped, I will also want him using his Psimitar, which is a weapon/tool that significantly boosts his psionic energy. Cable owns it and uses it on occasion. marvel.wikia.com/wiki/PsimitarTherefore, Cable with his Psimitar would win versus Ultron. So Cable will grab Ultron and dismantle him?? I think that is pretty farfetched.... You have to realize Ultron is prepped too, he knows what cable will bring to the table and not just let him use his Psimitar to blow him away.... Belle? Can you reference or scan this for me? I cannot find anything about cable having used "belle". Even if he does get to use his imaginary friend belle, Ultron has a army of robots (I provided scans in a earlier argument) that with him being prepped he can use to battle cable. Cable getting hit at multiple angles wont be able to keep up.
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Post by bladefd on Jul 12, 2016 6:53:25 GMT
Hi Rondo ! I think it is tough to argue gladiator would beat onslaught, just bad matchup. As for the other one, I think Cable prepped can handle it. By the way, he can fly too through levitation, bit like Magneto. "Telekinetic Flight: By levitating himself, he can "fly" for very long distances and at varying speeds" source: marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Nathan_Summers_(Earth-616)Cable uses science, technology, and engineering to take down his opponents. Huge tide turning event is Ultron is a machine. BOOOOM. Ulton gets his circuitry exploding in mid-flight before he even reaches Cable. One of ultron's weaknesses: "Ultron's non-adamantium parts can be destroyed, meaning that he can be defeated by foes with shrinking powers who can easily attack his non-adamantium parts." Prepped Cable can handle that by sending out surges that target non-adamantium parts. Cable also can send psionic spikes to overload Ultron's circuitry. So Cable can use telekinesis to take apart ultron by altering his molecular structures. Furthermore, Cable also has at his disposal his artificial intelligence Belle, which can continuously try to hack Ultron while helping Cable think like a robot to use his brilliant intelligence in figuring out tactics on the fly. Since Cable is prepped, I will also want him using his Psimitar, which is a weapon/tool that significantly boosts his psionic energy. Cable owns it and uses it on occasion. marvel.wikia.com/wiki/PsimitarTherefore, Cable with his Psimitar would win versus Ultron. So Cable will grab Ultron and dismantle him?? I think that is pretty farfetched.... You have to realize Ultron is prepped too, he knows what cable will bring to the table and not just let him use his Psimitar to blow him away.... Belle? Can you reference or scan this for me? I cannot find anything about cable having used "belle". Even if he does get to use his imaginary friend belle, Ultron has a army of robots (I provided scans in a earlier argument) that with him being prepped he can use to battle cable. Cable getting hit at multiple angles wont be able to keep up. Cable doesn't need to dismantle Ultron. He just has to transmit spikes and electronic surges to overload his circuitry and boards. Much like the surges you may have seen in your house before where circuits overload and power just flicker out if a powerful electrical spike strikes. I will look for a scan tomorrow on Belle to see its capabilities. Belle is not going to fight though but simply compile data on the opponents and give data as it is requested. I still will check what else it can do. Keep in mind that Cable is a technology/engineering genius. That is literally his specialty! Ultron is all machine so cable should be able to exploit his weaknesses. I will find a few scans.
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Post by coopernicus on Jul 12, 2016 13:54:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 14:11:47 GMT
Hal Jordan vs Zoom - Need more argument on this, unsure Cassandra The Flash vs Juggs - Need more argument on this, unsure Doomsday Guy Gardner Exodus plus Baron Mordo Ultron Onslaught
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 15:18:41 GMT
These drawings are tearing me apart.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 15:23:49 GMT
They're amazing.
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Post by Bob on Jul 12, 2016 16:57:48 GMT
Hal Jordan vs Zoom - Need more argument on this, unsure Cassandra The Flash vs Juggs - Need more argument on this, unsure Doomsday Guy Gardner Exodus plus Baron Mordo Ultron Onslaught Zoom has been able to break out of Hals constructs, while in the middle of fighting the justice league. In a fight were decisively is going after Hal its a no brainer. Zoom is absolutely faster. He can travel around earth 12 times in less than a minute while fighting an amped uo flash. Hal has no time. Zoom has the strenght to break all constructs and break green lanterns. Theres nothing that Jordan can do to evade or prevent Zooms movements and time jumping punchage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 18:57:51 GMT
Update + Results Apokolips (DC): Planet at unstable state/coming apart. Constant earthquakes at 3rd degree magnitudes, causing Volcanic eruptions of lava every 10 minutes. Lava flooding on surface FINAL Matchups #7 and #8 WINNERS BRACKETBob (4-2) vs Anti Hero [ Anti Hero ] (2-4) Nova trumped/paired with Moondragon [BWM, browntown, TSK] vs X-Man Mr. Majestic (prepped) [BWM, browntown, TSK] vs Iron Man Tony Stark (prepped) Loki (prepped) [BWM, TSK] vs Thor Alan Scott (Sentinel) [BWM, TSK] vs Black Bolt ION vs Reed Richards (prepped) [BWM, TSK]Forfeit [BWM] vs Sinestro (YL) trumped/paired with Phobos [browntown]
Zoom vs Hal Jordan (GL) Cassandra Nova Xavier vs Sinestro (YL) trumped/paired with Phobos (forfeit) coopernicus (3-3) vs AmericanBad@$$ [@hawk ] (3-3) Dr. Fate [BWM, TSK] vs Captain Atom [browntown] Firestorm (Ronnie) (prepped) vs Martian Manhunter (prepped) [TSK, BWM]Sersi vs Wonder Woman trumped/paired with John Stewart [BWM, TSK]Zatanna (prepped) [BWM, TSK] vs Black Adam Holocaust vs Zod trumped with Graviton [BWM, browntown]Lobo [browntown] vs Forfeit [BWM] The Flash vs Juggernaut (prepped) Doomsday vs Forfeit LOTTERY BOUND BRACKET (LOSERS ADVANCE)Outbreak [ZeN Split Personality type 2] (4-2) vs TheEther (2-4) Shadow King vs Orion [BWM, TSK]Apocalypse [BWM, browntown, TSK] vs Thane Magneto (prepped) [BWM, TSK] vs Magik (prepped) King Hyperion trumped/paired with Etrigan the Demon [BWM, TSK] vs Beta Ray Bill Mr. Sinister (prepped) [BWM, browntown] vs Mon-El Forfeit [BWM] vs Kurse [browntown]Forfeit vs Guy Gardner (GL) (prepped) Exodus trumped/paired with Baron Mordo vs Starbrand Rondo (3-3) vs bladefd (3-3) Annihilus vs Mongul (Sr) [BWM, browntown, TSK]Dr. Doom (prepped) [BWM, browntown, TSK] vs Powergirl Cyborg Superman [BWM, TSK] vs Hyperion Spawn vs Vulcan (prepped) [BWM, TSK]Defenders {Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Luke Cage} vs Superman [BWM, browntown]Atrocitus [BWM, browntown] vs Kyle Rayner Ultron (prepped) vs Cable (prepped) Onslaught vs Gladiator Hal Jordan (GL) - I think the guy that can fly around and make shit out of thin air has the advantage over the guy who is really fast, but stuck on a ground filled with lava Forfeit Juggernaut (prepped) - I like AB's argument for this, plus the location works in his favour, including bringing along a force field. Forfeit Forfeit Exodus trumped with Baron Mordo Ultron (prepped) Onslaught
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