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Post by bladefd on Jun 1, 2016 2:31:07 GMT
This what Vulcan getsAll combatants will not be given access to the area before the fight, as it is artificial, and does not exist beforehand. All combatants will not be told where they are starting. However, depending on the location, they will be starting facing each other at a reasonable distance(the distance will change depending on the size). Combatants who are not prepared will be brought to a small briefing room as the map "loads" and they have 5 minutes to survey/study the map. In comparison, prepared combatants will be brought to the same type of room, AFTER they have made their preparations. On the wall will be a screen with the picture and name of the opponent they are facing, and that is it (prepped individuals will have the information available to them prior). An announcement will let the combatants know that the fight is about to start, and then there will be a 3 second countdown, after which the combatants themselves will be loaded onto the screen. The fight will begin.
Star Brand is PreparedPrepared combatants will be taken to a replica of their home base, or the equivalent of it, and given the FOLLOWING things to aid them in their battle. They have 24 hours to plan before battle.1) Datapad/supercomputer will be present which holds all relevant information about an opponent, including a psychological profile, information about their species/homeworld, their affiliations, their powers and how they operate(for instance, an explanation on the Kryptonian physiology, such as how the cells absorb yellow sunlight), and their arsenal (if they have one). The computer will boot up with a brief opening monologue so the prepped character will see the strength and weakness of their opponent(s). It's a monologue, so it's not visual, but it can reveal a character's particular moveset, if it is used commonly by that character. But keep in mind, like if a Marvel character is prepped and facing off against Superman, he/she will find out that Superman's weakness is kryptonite. The problem for the prepped character is how will they find kryptonite in the Marvel universe? It's not possible. Then the computer will automatically open to the character's psychological profile as well as giving any relevant information the user requires. 2) A sample of their opponent's DNA. If the opponent is a mutant/alien, this would allow someone with enough knowledge in the area of genetics to analyze, and possibly work out how to neutralize an opponent's ability. 3) Access to any significant prop used by an opponent, such as a Green Lantern's power ring. They would not be able to use the sample, but would be allowed to analyze it, to determine things like power source, type of energy, etc. Because some people rely on items rather than their own inherent abilities, this keeps it from being unfair to those that could have their powers neutralized by analyzing a DNA sample. 4) A small amount of any substance that hinders or helps the opponent. Such as Kryptonite, or Radion. Not enough to actually harm the opponent, but enough to analyze. 5) A 3-D map of the layout will be given in advance for them to study and prepare for battle. They cannot alter the battlefield in any way before the battle. This will play to my advantage to get the win.
Essentially the Star Brand is a zero-point energy collector, drawing power from the fabric of space-time itself. It is unlimited in potential, though the upper limits of the star-like tattoo of power are determined by the imagination of its wielder. A paradox, the Star Brand came into being when the universe was compressed into a single point of space for a mere microsecond. It has been wielded by several people in various realities.
With prep Star Brand knows Vulcan's powers,weaknesses,physiology,move set and demeanor. With a 3-D layout of the area I can absorb the sun because of the Star brand mark energy collection abilities. I do this because Vulcan has limited reserves of energy while the Star-Brand grants Connor unlimited energy. By doing this if I just prolong the battle by blitzing and attacking Vulcan one and one I would win because he would eventually lose energy. He would not be able to absorb the Star Brand energy because of the uniqueness and Vulcans lack of expertise and knowledge of it. When Vulcan eventually runs out of energy, Star Brand can KO him and the match ends.Finally! ! This is how you make an argument. Instead of simply naming your characters feats or their history of beating up other characters, you connected that information with a solid battle plan against your opponent's character. I'm changing my vote to Starbrand (prepped). Everybody that's new to the game, start taking some notes. You don't have to do this much work in your argument (it does help), but pay attention to the final two paragraphs. This is the key towards victory in this draft. Make your point, provide evidence, and how your opponent's character cannot adjust to it. (This is for all the new comers in the draft since you're all still learning)I stand by the scenario I outlined in my very original post few pages back (that image I attached to this post in full resolution so nobody misses it this time). I have the entire battle plan outlined from start to finish. 1- vulcan sets up forcefields using simulated telekinesis 2- vulcan throws radiation bombardment on starbrand while protected behind the forcefields 3- if starbrand shoots energy at vulcan, vulcan can absorb some of it & deflect the rest back at starbrand or off into space 4- if need be, vulcan can use his ability of power suppression temporarily to suppress the power of starbrand in short bursts 5- 4 can be used in conjunction with psionic abilities that vulcan has to blast starbrand's mind. Starbrand has no protection against psionics/psychic powers. i.imgur.com/NsFHAB9.jpgTheEther [1] You do realize that green lanterns are also unlimited in potential by only their imagination?? If we went by that then each of the green lanterns would be godlike. Will you use this same argument with guy gardner? [2] Vulcan has the ability to absorb energy to fill up his reserves or deflect energy at will. So if he begins to run out of energy, he can simply absorb whatever starbrand shoots his way. Or absorb space radiation. remember the battlefield "Savage Land (Marvel): Sun's presence at Highest Peak/Above Head, Hot and Dry conditions" .. both vulcan and starbrand have access to the sun [3] Forcefields protect Vulcan from starbrand's blitz. Remember, vulcan can track starbrand up to interstellar distances, and vulcan himself can travel at speed of light if he had to dodge starbrand's blitz. [4] There is no such thing as unique energy. Energy is energy. It's like saying an alien from another universe would not be able to walk in ours because he has no expertise and knowledge of our gravity. , there are differences in the frequencies of energy, but these frequencies are not difficult to figure out if you have multiple layers of forcefields protecting you as you attempt to figure out the frequency. Once vulcan figures out the frequency starbrand uses, then he can absorb them... by the way, remember starbrand already absorbed the sun's energy and so he will be using that energy back at vulcan "Energy Absorption: Energy Absorption: Vulcan could absorb virtually any type of energy and channel that energy through his blasts"
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Post by Lowlife Dickwad on Jun 1, 2016 2:36:13 GMT
I can't go onto the next matchup until all the matchups have best 2 of 3 determined. Only browntown voted matchup #2.
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Post by coopernicus on Jun 1, 2016 2:39:15 GMT
I know Magneto is obviously a huge favorite over Carnage, but shouldn't there be more said than "Magneto wins"? No, not really. I get what you're saying, but isn't half the fun of this debating the matchups? Seems super lame to not even provide a real argument. Seems silly to me in a subjective matchup to not argue both sides. Obviously some matchups are gonna be massively onesided, but I still think it's worth providing some argument.
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Post by bladefd on Jun 1, 2016 2:41:13 GMT
I think physics and graphic illustration don't really need to co exist. Defeats the fun I thought we were being serious? Bob, were you lying to me about taking this serious?
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Post by TheEther on Jun 1, 2016 2:58:31 GMT
With prep Star Brand knows Vulcan's powers,weaknesses,physiology,move set and demeanor. With a 3-D layout of the area I can absorb the sun because of the Star brand mark energy collection abilities. I do this because Vulcan has limited reserves of energy while the Star-Brand grants Connor unlimited energy. By doing this if I just prolong the battle by blitzing and attacking Vulcan one and one I would win because he would eventually lose energy. He would not be able to absorb the Star Brand energy because of the uniqueness and Vulcans lack of expertise and knowledge of it. When Vulcan eventually runs out of energy, Star Brand can KO him and the match ends.1. Vulcan can setup his forcefields using telekinesis to buy some time. Vulcan only need to keep starbrand from getting too close with those forcefields. Since vulcan is not prepped, he needs to buy time to find the right radiation at the correct frequency that impacts star brand. "Solid Energy Constructs/Simulated Telekinesis: Vulcan could solidify his energy into force-fields and other shapes. The effect of his energy constructs could be used to simulate a form of telekinesis by lifting and moving objects." 2. "Energy Absorption: Vulcan could absorb virtually any type of energy and channel that energy through his blasts." If you study physics, energy is simply radiation being emitted. He does not need to absorb all of it. He can simply deflect it back to starbrand. 3. Vulcan also has the ability of power suppression temporarily when he bombards starbrand with different types of radiation. "Power Suppression: Vulcan could apparently use his powers to override those of another person's mutagenic aura, making them temporarily unable to use them. It is unknown if this was limited to only other energy-manipulators." 4. Vulcan has the ability to mind control and starbrand has no protection against psionics like vulcan. You said that starbrand has control of energy including his brain waves, but he doesn't! Where does he have this ability? Show me. marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Kevin_Connor_(Earth-616) source: marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Gabriel_Summers_(Earth-616)1. Force fields use energy aiding Starbrand plan of attack. Telekinesis also use up his limited energy reserves. No prep so he would have any idea about the radiation or frequency that effects Starbrand. So he would whistle away his Energy reserves doing this. 2. The Starbrand mark is similiar to green lantern ring in that it's energy it's special and type that can't be easily absorbed. Firestorm couldn't absorb green lantern energy ring despite having similiar powers 3. Power suppression wouldn't work, the power comes from the mark which Vulcan has no understanding of since he has no prep and has no idea about my attacks,move set, physiology. 4. Starbrand can make force fields too, psionices of Vulcan powered by energy manipulation, done on much weaker beings, prep allows Star Brand to know about Vulcan attempts to mind control. So he can put force fields and attacks on Vulcan break his concentration. Your entire plan takes away Vulcans reserves leaving him weaker causing Star Brand to ko him when his reserves are gone. win Star Brand
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Post by Bob on Jun 1, 2016 3:05:28 GMT
I think people are basing things too much on potential and not on actual feats.
If we give credit merely on potential then every character can be argued as OP. If we hold weak showings (losses to minor characters) then everyone losses.
Usually in previous drafts its been a combination of 10%-15% potential and 80% actual feats. The remain 5% usually is attributed to bias.
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Post by bladefd on Jun 1, 2016 3:06:06 GMT
1. Vulcan can setup his forcefields using telekinesis to buy some time. Vulcan only need to keep starbrand from getting too close with those forcefields. Since vulcan is not prepped, he needs to buy time to find the right radiation at the correct frequency that impacts star brand. "Solid Energy Constructs/Simulated Telekinesis: Vulcan could solidify his energy into force-fields and other shapes. The effect of his energy constructs could be used to simulate a form of telekinesis by lifting and moving objects." 2. "Energy Absorption: Vulcan could absorb virtually any type of energy and channel that energy through his blasts." If you study physics, energy is simply radiation being emitted. He does not need to absorb all of it. He can simply deflect it back to starbrand. 3. Vulcan also has the ability of power suppression temporarily when he bombards starbrand with different types of radiation. "Power Suppression: Vulcan could apparently use his powers to override those of another person's mutagenic aura, making them temporarily unable to use them. It is unknown if this was limited to only other energy-manipulators." 4. Vulcan has the ability to mind control and starbrand has no protection against psionics like vulcan. You said that starbrand has control of energy including his brain waves, but he doesn't! Where does he have this ability? Show me. marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Kevin_Connor_(Earth-616) source: marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Gabriel_Summers_(Earth-616)1. Force fields use energy aiding Starbrand plan of attack. Telekinesis also use up his limited energy reserves. No prep so he would have any idea about the radiation or frequency that effects Starbrand. So he would whistle away his Energy reserves doing this. 2. The Starbrand mark is similiar to green lantern ring in that it's energy it's special and type that can't be easily absorbed. Firestorm couldn't absorb green lantern energy ring despite having similiar powers 3. Power suppression wouldn't work, the power comes from the mark which Vulcan has no understanding of since he has no prep and has no idea about my attacks,move set, physiology. 4. Starbrand can make force fields too, psionices of Vulcan powered by energy manipulation, done on much weaker beings, prep allows Star Brand to know about Vulcan attempts to mind control. So he can put force fields and attacks on Vulcan break his concentration. Your entire plan takes away Vulcans reserves leaving him weaker causing Star Brand to ko him when his reserves are gone. win Star Brand check out my other post, where I address these issues.
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Post by Bob on Jun 1, 2016 3:10:52 GMT
I think physics and graphic illustration don't really need to co exist. Defeats the fun I thought we were being serious? Bob, were you lying to me about taking this serious? Comic book world begets comic book rules, regulations and conditions. You cannot apply real world ethics, logic, or quantum mechanics to a scenario were super über powered beings is the norm.
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Post by TheEther on Jun 1, 2016 3:13:17 GMT
Plus with no prep I guarantee Vulcan would not take this strategy to fight a a unknown. He would instead try to blast and fire his way toward victory when he face a unknown enemy he deems below him Which he would seeing his arrogance and cockiness as shown in his prior battles. This would lead into Star Brands hands as he wastes his energy trying to blast and blitz. His reserves fall and he gets koed by Star Brand. With prep your plan would be plausible but he has no prep so he would revert to his base move set. This leads to a easy win for Star Brand. If Vulcan had prep this would be closer but he doesn't so he loses badly due to his arrogance and lack of knowledge of his opponent.
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Post by TheEther on Jun 1, 2016 3:17:41 GMT
I also said Starbrand would just absorb the sun or if he can't just destroy it so Vulcan can't absorb it. Starbrands energy has never been absorbed, if Vulcan could absorb any energy he would never loses a battle seeing as everything has some form of energy. Starbrands prep puts him ahead of Vulcan. With the Knowledge of his moves and what he does he can just dodge his attacks and bait him. Or hide at beginning and blitz and ko. Remember Starbrand has knowledge of Vulcan and not the other way around. He has the advantage what Vulcan does while Vulcan has no idea what he can do and would just underestimate him.
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Post by bladefd on Jun 1, 2016 3:20:15 GMT
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Post by TheEther on Jun 1, 2016 3:32:26 GMT
Lol grasping at straws now. Going to the argument of authority now. From a basic power grid that doesn't show any proof, evidence or reasoning. I showed scans of Star Brand fighting the Avengers taking hits from Thor and Hulk with no damage after just gaining his powers. I think the scans have a higher evidence of Star Brands power than some power grid. Let's get to the next matchup I think this is over.
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Post by bladefd on Jun 1, 2016 3:32:52 GMT
I also said Starbrand would just absorb the sun or if he can't just destroy it so Vulcan can't absorb it. Starbrands energy has never been absorbed, if Vulcan could absorb any energy he would never loses a battle seeing as everything has some form of energy. Starbrands prep puts him ahead of Vulcan. 1. Lowlife Dickwad , are we allowed to change the battlefied? Rules say "They[prepped characters] cannot alter the battlefield in any way before the battle." 2. If the answer to 1 is , who gets dibs over the sun? If Vulcan wanted, he could also absorb or destroy the sun. 3. Battlefield states "Savage Land (Marvel): Sun's presence at Highest Peak/Above Head, Hot and Dry conditions" so can my opponent change that by absorbing/destroying the sun? The entire solar system would change. Ethers argument comes down to vulcan running out of energy through his character altering the battlefield, and it sets a precedent for every battle henceforth.
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Post by Scottie4Hottie on Jun 1, 2016 3:39:20 GMT
Vulcan is better at durability and fighting skills. If we base it on a few cats. Then what's the point of arguing. You are completely discrediting the prep. Whilst throwing out scenarios. I do like the arguments guys keep it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 4:19:49 GMT
Dude, those graphs are so biased and stupid, we've never taken them serious.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 4:22:53 GMT
So I've sided with Starbrand (prep), mainly for prep reasons, but the other judges can come to their own conclusions.
I like the arguments, but you guys are literally talking in circles now. I don't want us to highjack the entire competition over this one matchup.
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Post by Lowlife Dickwad on Jun 1, 2016 4:25:46 GMT
I also said Starbrand would just absorb the sun or if he can't just destroy it so Vulcan can't absorb it. Starbrands energy has never been absorbed, if Vulcan could absorb any energy he would never loses a battle seeing as everything has some form of energy. Starbrands prep puts him ahead of Vulcan. 1. Lowlife Dickwad , are we allowed to change the battlefied? Rules say "They[prepped characters] cannot alter the battlefield in any way before the battle." 2. If the answer to 1 is yes, who gets dibs over the sun? If Vulcan wanted, he could also absorb or destroy the sun. 3. Battlefield states "Savage Land (Marvel): Sun's presence at Highest Peak/Above Head, Hot and Dry conditions" so can my opponent change that by absorbing/destroying the sun? The entire solar system would change. Ethers argument comes down to vulcan running out of energy through his character altering the battlefield, and it sets a precedent for every battle henceforth. My argument would be that battlefield Savage land takes place in earth (anarctica specifically). The sun is in no way supposed to be part of the actual battlefield. It's just a star that overlooks and lights up the field as the earth rotates around the axis of the sun. Sun is in space and in no way i would call a field. I say position/presence of sun because of lighting purposes where some are heavily reliant on needing to see and some characters fight better based on more sunlight You will soon see the other battlefields and you will understand why i specified it so descriptively The sun can be destroyed if the character so chooses
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 4:34:37 GMT
(Losers get 24 hours to try and appeal to change the judges mind for Matchup #1) Ok hopefully I did this right. Round 1 Matchup #2 (Still Savage Land, same hot/dry conditions with sun over the head) ZeN vs AmericanB@da$$ Lord Helspont vs Martian Manhunter (leaning)TheEther vs Blade Orion vs PowerGirl Outbreak vs Coopernicus Magneto (prepped) vs Carnage Rondo vs Anti-Hero Ultron vs ThorWinners in Bold Leaning on the first one. Really tough battle, but Helspont being on Earth does give an edge for MM. Orion smash. Magneto will know that Carnage's weakness to vibrations, which fortunately for Mags, is one of his specialties. Thor taking advantage of the playing field.
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Post by Bob on Jun 1, 2016 4:39:54 GMT
(Losers get 24 hours to try and appeal to change the judges mind for Matchup #1) Ok hopefully I did this right. Round 1 Matchup #2 (Still Savage Land, same hot/dry conditions with sun over the head) ZeN vs AmericanB@da$$ Lord Helspont vs Martian Manhunter (leaning)TheEther vs Blade Orion vs PowerGirl Outbreak vs Coopernicus Magneto (prepped) vs Carnage Rondo vs Anti-Hero Ultron vs ThorWinners in Bold Leaning on the first one. Really tough battle, but Helspont being on Earth does give an edge for MM. Orion smash. Magneto will know that Carnage's weakness to vibrations, which fortunately for Mags, is one of his specialties. Thor taking advantage of the playing field. When he died and came back to life, he lost this weakness that supposedly would make him lose in this match-up. Plus, even before that Helspont has been able to win battles while his feet were planted on earth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 5:00:05 GMT
Winners in Bold Leaning on the first one. Really tough battle, but Helspont being on Earth does give an edge for MM. Orion smash. Magneto will know that Carnage's weakness to vibrations, which fortunately for Mags, is one of his specialties. Thor taking advantage of the playing field. When he died and came back to life, he lost this weakness that supposedly would make him lose in this match-up. Plus, even before that Helspont has been able to win battles while his feet were planted on earth. Why do you make my life difficult?
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Post by Lowlife Dickwad on Jun 1, 2016 5:08:14 GMT
Why do you make my life difficult? He can't let you get away after you overstepped the line!
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Post by bladefd on Jun 1, 2016 5:18:31 GMT
I thought we were being serious? Bob, were you lying to me about taking this serious? Comic book world begets comic book rules, regulations and conditions. You cannot apply real world ethics, logic, or quantum mechanics to a scenario were super über powered beings is the norm. Oh I know. By bringing in physics, I actually meant I would define what energy is. Think of it this way.. We know 1+1=2.. the concept behind 1+1=2 would be true in any universe. The number representation would change from civilization to civilization but the concept of 1+1=2 would never change. In a similar manner, the concept behind energy would still be the same in every universe. The frequency of energy may change but the concept of energy never would. If a being has the ability to absorb or deflect energy, that intrinsic ability would not change from universe to universe. There won't be a different "concept" of energy. It is equivalent to saying that the very concept of gravity would be completely different in a different universe and that one would need to have specific knowledge about another universe's gravity to walk if transported over. While the strength of gravity would differ and the term used to represent gravity would be in a different.alien language, gravity would still be gravity. See what I mean?
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Post by Lowlife Dickwad on Jun 1, 2016 5:24:41 GMT
If I counted the judge votes right, here they are in summary (NONE ARE OFFICIALLY DONE YET): ZeN vs American Bad@$$ Cassandra Nova Xavier [TSK, BWM] vs Wonder Woman Lord Helspont [Browntown] vs Martian Manhunter [BWM, TSK]
Zoom [BWM] vs Black Adam [TSK] (NEED Browntown's tiebreak vote)
TheEther vs blade Starbrand(prepped) [Browntown, BWM] vs Vulcan [TSK] Orion [Browntown, BWM, TSK] vs PowerGirl Osiris vs Superman [TSK, BWM]Outbreak vs Coopernicus Etrigan paired/trumped Rachael Summers vs Zatanna (prep) [TSK, Boogie]Magneto (prepped) [Browntown, BWM, TSK] vs Carnage Hulk vs Doomsday [TSK]Rondo vs Anti Hero Deadpool/Taskmaster (prepped) vs Sinestro paired/trumped with Phobos [TSK, Boogie]Ultron vs Thor [Browntown, BWM]Defenders (prepped) {Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Luke Cage} [TSK] vs Sinestro paired/trumped with Phobos Forfeited via trump usage matchup #1 [BWM] (gonna need browntown's TIEBREAK vote )
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Post by bladefd on Jun 1, 2016 5:40:31 GMT
1. Lowlife Dickwad , are we allowed to change the battlefied? Rules say "They[prepped characters] cannot alter the battlefield in any way before the battle." 2. If the answer to 1 is , who gets dibs over the sun? If Vulcan wanted, he could also absorb or destroy the sun. 3. Battlefield states "Savage Land (Marvel): Sun's presence at Highest Peak/Above Head, Hot and Dry conditions" so can my opponent change that by absorbing/destroying the sun? The entire solar system would change. Ethers argument comes down to vulcan running out of energy through his character altering the battlefield, and it sets a precedent for every battle henceforth. My argument would be that battlefield Savage land takes place in earth (anarctica specifically). The sun is in no way supposed to be part of the actual battlefield. It's just a star that overlooks and lights up the field as the earth rotates around the axis of the sun. Sun is in space and in no way i would call a field. I say position/presence of sun because of lighting purposes where some are heavily reliant on needing to see and some characters fight better based on more sunlight You will soon see the other battlefields and you will understand why i specified it so descriptively The sun can be destroyed if the character so chooses Fair enough. Then I cannot argue against the sun getting destroyed. As Vulcan, I would need an energy source. If the local star is destroyed then I would be in trouble. Vulcan's powers allows him to manipulate/absorb any kind of energy in the form of radiation but he cannot create energy out of nothing. With the star destroyed, Vulcan would need to be able to manipulate the energy that Starbrand shoots at him. Would he have that ability or is that nerfed? His wiki page states "Vulcan has used his powers to produce light, heat, force, and electricity, as well as warp or disable large amounts and different types of existing energy sources, tap into and suppress mutant energies, survive in the vacuum of space, and fly." We know he can. This point is up to the judges to decide. If that is not nerfed, then Starbrand would lose. If energy manipulation is nerfed then Vulcan would run out of energy & stands no chance with the nearby star destroyed.
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Post by bladefd on Jun 1, 2016 5:49:23 GMT
By the way, I won't refute the Orion vs powergirl. I just got a bad draw there. If it was superman vs orion then I would fight that to the very end of times, but it isn't! Sorry babydoll, but your boobs won't help you there! (Although, I think Orion would pass out if boobgirl took her breasts out, then boobgirl can beat the crap out of Orion ) Judges - all of my female characters are fighting naked henceforth. Note it down. Thanks. ;)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 6:09:45 GMT
Guess tomorrow is when we start match up 3.
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Post by Anti Hero on Jun 1, 2016 6:20:14 GMT
Start now, please!
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Post by Lowlife Dickwad on Jun 1, 2016 6:37:43 GMT
Since I love you so much Anti, I'll be compliant :)
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Post by Lowlife Dickwad on Jun 1, 2016 6:39:11 GMT
Matchup #3. Same battlefield, same conditions
ZeN vs American Bad@$$ Zoom vs Black Adam
TheEther vs blade Osiris vs Superman
Outbreak vs Coopernicus Hulk vs Doomsday
Rondo vs Anti Hero Defenders (prepped) {Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Luke Cage} vs Sinestro paired/trumped with Phobos Forfeited via trump usage matchup #1
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Post by coopernicus on Jun 1, 2016 12:38:38 GMT
First things first, I'd like to address the similarities between Hulk and Doomsday. -Both have incredible healing factors -Both have near-infinite physical strength -Both have experience fighting some of the strongest comic book universe heroes/villains Those similarities aside, here's why Doomsday takes this matchup. Firstly, Doomsday killed Superman 1 while Superman bested Hulk once, and had a slight edge another time, in the two crossover fights that Hulk and Supes have had 2. Doomsday killed Superman, whereas Hulk was bested by Superman. Doomsday>Superman>Hulk --> Doomsday>Hulk Secondly, in addition to his healing factor, Doomsday has the unique ability to evolve after every time he is "killed" (never truly killed, as he always recovers). This evolution makes him invulnerable to whatever "killed" him previously 3. Doomsday has built up an evolutionary advantage to all of the things that have caused him to die before, and that sure as heck includes physical damage, the likes of which he'd receive from Hulk. Unless you're a marvel stan, I don't think there's anyway that Doomsday doesn't win this Sources: 1. Greenberger, Robert (2008). "Doomsday". p 108 2. Marvel Treasury Edition #28: Superman and Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk Vs Superman (2001) 3. 'Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey 2
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