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Post by Buck on May 6, 2016 7:44:27 GMT
2015:
1. KAT 2. Porzingis 3. Russell 4. Booker 5. Turner/Hezonja
2014:
1. Jabari (homer pick but idec, still strongly believe he's going to be end up better than Wiggins) 2. Wiggins 3. Gordon 4. Jokic 5. Lavine
2013:
1. Giannis 2. Gobert 3. McCollum 4. Oladipo 5. Noel
2012:
1. Davis 2. Lillard 3. Drummond 4. Draymond 5. Middleton
2011:
1. Kawhi 2. Kyrie 3. Klay 4. Butler 5. Valanciunas
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Post by Last Stand on May 6, 2016 11:54:49 GMT
I'll do the Top 10
2011
1. Kawhi Leonard 2. Jimmy Butler 3. Klay Thompson 4. Kyrie Irving 5. Kemba Walker 6. Isaiah Thomas 7. Reggie Jackson 8. Nikola Vucevic 9. Jonas Valanciunas 10. Tobias Harris
2012
1. Anthony Davis 2. Damian Lillard 3. Draymond Green 4. Andre Drummond 5. Khris Middleton 6. Harrison Barnes 7. Bradley Beal 8. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 9. Jae Crowder 10. Terrence Ross
*Kinda crazy how GS drafted Barnes, Green, and Ezeli in the same draft.
2013
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo 2. C.J. McCollum 3. Victor Oladipo 4. Rudy Gobert 5. Nerlens Noel 6. Mason Plumlee 7. Steven Adams 8. Cody Zeller 9. Gorgui Dieng 10. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
2014
1. Andrew Wiggins 2. Jabari Parker 3. Nikola Jokic 4. Rodney Hood 5. Aaron Gordon 6. Elfrid Payton 7. Jusuf Nurkic 8. Dwight Powell 9. Jordan Clarkson 10. Marcus Smart
2015
1. Karl Anthony Towns 2. Kristaps Porzingis 3. Jahlil Okafor 4. Myles Turner 5. Devin Booker 6. D'Angelo Russell 7. Norman Powell 8. Willie Cauley-Stein 9. Justice Winslow 10. Stanley Johnson
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Post by Suguru101 on May 6, 2016 15:26:55 GMT
2015: 1. KAT 2. Porzingis 3. Russell 4. Booker 5. Okafor 2014: 1. Wiggins 2. Jokic 3. Jabari 4. Lavine 5. Gordon 2013: 1. Gobert 2. Giannis 3. McCollum 4. Noel 5. Oladipo 2012: 1. Davis 2. Draymond 3. Lillard 4. Drummond 5. Middleton 2011: 1. Kawhi 2. Klay 3. Kyrie 4. Butler 5. Valanciunas That's how i see it. I value big man generally more than wings and especially value defense/rim protection. I have Gobert over Giannis because while Giannis has lots of potential, that's also the case with Gobert who's also been part of actually successful teams for the past two seasons, and who's net impact in the court is amazing. He's never had a credible point guard nor has ever really learned to play in the post, and when he does he'll be a monster. He's already the most impactful big man defender and will only get better too. I'd rather have Klay than Kyrie on most teams. Would also rather have Draymond than Drummond or Lillard. Jock has been more valuable than Jabari so far, and i put him over Lavine just because of potential, since Lavine has shown more. The most recent draft i have no disagreements except Okafor still has too much potential to be placed under Turner/Hezonja.
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Post by Buck on May 7, 2016 7:39:10 GMT
I don't think Gobert's upside is on Giannis' level. Defensively Gobert will likely always be better but Giannis is going to develop into a defensive monster in his own right. Whereas I think Giannis' upside offensively blows Gobert's out of the water. I think as a two way talent Giannis is a much better option to build around, I mean the guy is a 6'11" point forward with the ability to guard 1-5, he legitimately has MVP type upside and the homer in me legitimately believes he'll get damn close to that level. After the ASB when we handed the keys to him, there were several games where he looked like some ridiculous hybrid of KG and Grant Hill. Not at all saying he's going to be as good as either, but his raw upside is crazy imo and it'd be hard to pass up for any team.
I get the Klay > Kyrie argument, I'm basing it more on raw talent level coming out of the draft than anything, I just wonder what kind of player Kyrie could've developed into had he been drafted to a more structured environment with high level developmental coaches. Kyrie at times shows straight up amazing potential, like towards the end of last season and into the playoffs, dude was actually taking pride in his defense, doing the little things while still being a killer offensively...if Kyrie had a guy like Pop, Thibs, Carlisle, etc to not just let him do whatever the hell he wants and actually develop the right way, I honestly could've seen him as an MVP.
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on May 7, 2016 7:52:10 GMT
2011: 1. Kawhi Leonard 2. Jimmy Butler 3. Kyrie Irving 4. Klay Thompson 5. Jonas Valanciunas
2012: 1. Anthony Davis 2. Damian Lillard 3. Draymond Green 4. Andre Drummond 5. Khris Middleton
2013: 1. Giannis Antetokounmpo 2. Rudy Gobert 3. C.J. McCollum 4. Victor Oladipo 5. Nerlens Noel
2014 (much closer) 1. Andrew Wiggins (if I knew about the Jabari Parker injury) 2. Jabari Parker 3. Aaron Gordon 4. Nikola Jokic 5. Jusuf Nurkic
2015 1. Karl-Anthony Towns 2. Kristaps Porzingis 3. Devin Booker 4. Jahlil Okafor 5. Myles Turner
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on May 7, 2016 8:01:08 GMT
I don't think Gobert's upside is on Giannis' level. Defensively Gobert will likely always be better but Giannis is going to develop into a defensive monster in his own right. Whereas I think Giannis' upside offensively blows Gobert's out of the water. I think as a two way talent Giannis is a much better option to build around, I mean the guy is a 6'11" point forward with the ability to guard 1-5, he legitimately has MVP type upside and the homer in me legitimately believes he'll get damn close to that level. After the ASB when we handed the keys to him, there were several games where he looked like some ridiculous hybrid of KG and Grant Hill. Not at all saying he's going to be as good as either, but his raw upside is crazy imo and it'd be hard to pass up for any team. I get the Klay > Kyrie argument, I'm basing it more on raw talent level coming out of the draft than anything, I just wonder what kind of player Kyrie could've developed into had he been drafted to a more structured environment with high level developmental coaches. Kyrie at times shows straight up amazing potential, like towards the end of last season and into the playoffs, dude was actually taking pride in his defense, doing the little things while still being a killer offensively...if Kyrie had a guy like Pop, Thibs, Carlisle, etc to not just let him do whatever the hell he wants and actually develop the right way, I honestly could've seen him as an MVP. I would go with Giannis too. Gobert is older. Centers don't last long. It is true that it is a weak era for centers but Gobert doesn't have the offensive potential to exploit it. Meanwhile the game is getting smaller. Giannis has higher likelihood of having less difficulties guarding the point guards than Gobert, especially when years pass. Giannis is already developing an offensive all around skillset akin to garnett like you said but with Giannis' slightly different style (ie main ball handler). So, Giannis has freakish wing span for rebounding/defense, he already is developing his passing game and becoming a point forward, fast break is deadly with him taking max of 3 strides, always an offensive mismatch, and could penetrate when he needs to. It's scary to think what he can do with more experience. Hopefully they can make the playoffs next year. Also less likelihood that he will be manhandled in the post with more emphasis on guard play if it. Ever comes to it.
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Post by ballinhun8 on May 10, 2016 5:30:47 GMT
13&14 really lacking star power unless Wiggins keeps on taking the next few steps.
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Post by jimmymcadocious on May 13, 2016 1:07:58 GMT
Ignoring team need at the time?
2011: Leonard Irving Butler Thompson Kemba
2012: Davis Lillard Green Drummond Beal
2013: Antetokounmpo Gobert McCollum Adams Noel
2014: Wiggins Parker Jokic Gordon Smart
2015: Towns Porzingis Russell Booker Turner
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