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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:46:51 GMT
it also seemed odd to me the rebellion is so small we keep hearing this is all that's left and shit but they manage to have an admiral who poe (the apparently best pilot in the rebellion) has never met or seen before and has no idea if she is competetant or he can trust her.
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Post by Lampz on Dec 18, 2017 0:04:08 GMT
point was poe needs to learn to trust others if she just told him the plan from the beginning he wouldnt have learned a thing, wouldn't have developed at all from beginning to end but they knew how impulsive he was, it's like they went poe will probably fuck this plan up but lets not tell him anyway just to teach him a lesson and the end result is a bunch of their transports got destroyed a bunch of people died and rose and fin got sent on a wild goose chase and almost died too. how was poe to blame for any of that stuff happening though
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:12:22 GMT
but they knew how impulsive he was, it's like they went poe will probably fuck this plan up but lets not tell him anyway just to teach him a lesson and the end result is a bunch of their transports got destroyed a bunch of people died and rose and fin got sent on a wild goose chase and almost died too. how was poe to blame for any of that stuff happening though because he tried to set a plan in motion when they already had a plan, if he didn't send fin and rose off (2 maintenance workers remember not exactly super spies or leadership trained soldiers) then they'd never be dumb enough to trust a random criminal or at least not be dumb enough to share so much info with him that he could betray them which leads to all those transports being shot down instead of them focusing on the big ship. also poe's fault they lost all their bombers and a bunch of pilots in the earlier attack leia ordered him back from too.
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Post by Lampz on Dec 18, 2017 0:22:09 GMT
how was poe to blame for any of that stuff happening though because he tried to set a plan in motion when they already had a plan, if he didn't send fin and rose off (2 maintenance workers remember not exactly super spies or leadership trained soldiers) then they'd never be dumb enough to trust a random criminal or at least not be dumb enough to share so much info with him that he could betray them which leads to all those transports being shot down instead of them focusing on the big ship. also poe's fault they lost all their bombers and a bunch of pilots in the earlier attack leia ordered him back from too. ah yeah forgot poe/finn/rose were doing all that in secret
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Post by OutRosez on Dec 18, 2017 3:28:51 GMT
it also seemed odd to me the rebellion is so small we keep hearing this is all that's left and shit but they manage to have an admiral who poe (the apparently best pilot in the rebellion) has never met or seen before and has no idea if she is competetant or he can trust her. That's because they fucked it all up in this movie and through the lore they were building out lol. In the supposedly canon books, everyone knew the first order was around but no one did anything because there wasn't any proof that they were a sizable force. Leia couldn't get the Senate/Republic to fund an army so that's why in TFA its all a bunch of familiar faces basically in the control center and its another rag tag style operation. Leia sent her ambassador to Hosnian Prime, which is the home of the Senate now/the Republic's army because with the events on both Jakku/whatever Moz's planet is named they had proof and witnesses of how real and threatening the first order actually was. So Snoke had Hux blow up Hosnian Prime which weakened the entire Republic so a lot of the army was just decimated. That's why all the allies are in the outer rim at TLJ they were hiding basically. In the Leia book, which is a few years before the new trilogy they had tens of thousands of people working in the resistance but no one wanted to formerly launch an attack on what remained of the empire because they weren't convinced it was a threat/they were still rebuilding. But they said fuck all that and let's make more money and toss out the new lore we just made up to toss out the old lore we had before 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 4:33:31 GMT
it also seemed odd to me the rebellion is so small we keep hearing this is all that's left and shit but they manage to have an admiral who poe (the apparently best pilot in the rebellion) has never met or seen before and has no idea if she is competetant or he can trust her. That's because they fucked it all up in this movie and through the lore they were building out lol. In the supposedly canon books, everyone knew the first order was around but no one did anything because there wasn't any proof that they were a sizable force. Leia couldn't get the Senate/Republic to fund an army so that's why in TFA its all a bunch of familiar faces basically in the control center and its another rag tag style operation. Leia sent her ambassador to Hosnian Prime, which is the home of the Senate now/the Republic's army because with the events on both Jakku/whatever Moz's planet is named they had proof and witnesses of how real and threatening the first order actually was. So Snoke had Hux blow up Hosnian Prime which weakened the entire Republic so a lot of the army was just decimated. That's why all the allies are in the outer rim at TLJ they were hiding basically. In the Leia book, which is a few years before the new trilogy they had tens of thousands of people working in the resistance but no one wanted to formerly launch an attack on what remained of the empire because they weren't convinced it was a threat/they were still rebuilding. But they said fuck all that and let's make more money and toss out the new lore we just made up to toss out the old lore we had before  oh k i also saw that the phasma plot hole is addressed in comic book form, was wondering why no one said anything about her failures in the last movie and giving up info to the rebels so easy.
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Post by SugarHill on Dec 18, 2017 8:46:22 GMT
it also seemed odd to me the rebellion is so small we keep hearing this is all that's left and shit but they manage to have an admiral who poe (the apparently best pilot in the rebellion) has never met or seen before and has no idea if she is competetant or he can trust her. i always found it funny how all the people entrusted to save the galaxy can barely fill up a small bar
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 9:09:57 GMT
it also seemed odd to me the rebellion is so small we keep hearing this is all that's left and shit but they manage to have an admiral who poe (the apparently best pilot in the rebellion) has never met or seen before and has no idea if she is competetant or he can trust her. i always found it funny how all the people entrusted to save the galaxy can barely fill up a small bar and half are related. That's why i wish they branched out more and why i liked the eu more
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Post by OutRosez on Dec 18, 2017 17:36:53 GMT
i always found it funny how all the people entrusted to save the galaxy can barely fill up a small bar and half are related. That's why i wish they branched out more and why i liked the eu more Hoping Rian Johnson helps with that. I think why they don't is it would be Avengers-y if they eventually had the new resistance members team up with Rey/Poe/Finn in a mainline episode unless it was something background related like they did with the Rebels character(s?) appearing in TFA.
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Post by Lampz on Dec 18, 2017 17:57:36 GMT
It was dumb anyway. Just make her Luke's secret daughter or Obi-Wan's bastard granddaughter and use the Obi-Wan movie to set it up. They set up too much shit for it in TFA for it not to be. Kylo's reaction to finding out a girl!!!!!  was helping bb-8 and Finn. In the book Kylo Ren says it is you. "I have it, my sister has it, and you have it" Like come the fuck on. -From the second trailer "I'll come back for you I promise" It's obviously a lie anyway, I just think Johnson convinced them to walk it back but they already fucked themselves into it canonically and so it was hard to get it and they tried anyway but obviously enough people are pissed about it for them to have to do something. "in the book" "in the trailer" rey being a skywalker would basically just mean the force is a genetic thing only a select few have, rather than something anyone could pick up on like in the OT i like her being a nobody
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Post by OutRosez on Dec 18, 2017 18:03:19 GMT
It was dumb anyway. Just make her Luke's secret daughter or Obi-Wan's bastard granddaughter and use the Obi-Wan movie to set it up. They set up too much shit for it in TFA for it not to be. Kylo's reaction to finding out a girl!!!!!  was helping bb-8 and Finn. In the book Kylo Ren says it is you. "I have it, my sister has it, and you have it" Like come the fuck on. -From the second trailer "I'll come back for you I promise" It's obviously a lie anyway, I just think Johnson convinced them to walk it back but they already fucked themselves into it canonically and so it was hard to get it and they tried anyway but obviously enough people are pissed about it for them to have to do something. "in the book" "in the trailer" rey being a skywalker would basically just mean the force is a genetic thing only a select few have, rather than something anyone could pick up on like in the OT i like her being a nobody If that were true then the Jedi would all have been fucking the last 10000 years or whatever not being celibate. And we both know if they could they'd have made baby Yodas somehow by this point. Maybe they'll be the porgs of IX.
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Post by Lampz on Dec 18, 2017 18:08:31 GMT
"in the book" "in the trailer" rey being a skywalker would basically just mean the force is a genetic thing only a select few have, rather than something anyone could pick up on like in the OT i like her being a nobody If that were true then the Jedi would all have been fucking the last 10000 years or whatever not being celibate. And we both know if they could they'd have made baby Yodas somehow by this point. Maybe they'll be the porgs of IX. i mean midichlorians kind of already confirm that it does at least make the galaxy feel small though
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Post by OutRosez on Dec 18, 2017 18:18:32 GMT
If that were true then the Jedi would all have been fucking the last 10000 years or whatever not being celibate. And we both know if they could they'd have made baby Yodas somehow by this point. Maybe they'll be the porgs of IX. i mean midichlorians kind of already confirm that it does at least make the galaxy feel small though On a slightly unrelated note: I'm surprised no one took the Snoke line to Rey about her being the force's reaction to Kylo's power out of context and went with her being made by midichlorians 
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Post by Lampz on Dec 18, 2017 18:20:33 GMT
i mean midichlorians kind of already confirm that it does at least make the galaxy feel small though On a slightly unrelated note: I'm surprised no one took the Snoke line to Rey about her being the force's reaction to Kylo's power out of context and went with her being made by midichlorians  lol
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Post by bladefd on Dec 18, 2017 21:00:07 GMT
GOD! I have yet to see tis goodin' movie. Will you kids stop discussing this without me?? 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 21:54:39 GMT
oh wow saw that in rogue one there was a reference to the empire studying hyperspace tracking....
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Post by Knicks101 on Dec 18, 2017 21:57:50 GMT
This film was just okay!
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Post by Lampz on Dec 18, 2017 22:30:31 GMT
OutRosez @iamoutbreak T'Chayda @everyone with the last jedi out, how would you guys rank the series (including rogue one)?
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Post by OutRosez on Dec 18, 2017 22:32:43 GMT
oh wow saw that in rogue one there was a reference to the empire studying hyperspace tracking.... Its been a while but didn't Boba Fett track them through hyperspace in Empire? Or did he not need to because they didn't go through hyperspace? I like how the whole plot for that part was the BSG's pilot episode though 
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Post by OutRosez on Dec 18, 2017 22:33:20 GMT
OutRosez @iamoutbreak T'Chayda @everyone with the last jedi out, how would you guys rank the series (including rogue one)? I'll tell you after I see it again.
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Post by Lampz on Dec 18, 2017 22:33:42 GMT
oh wow saw that in rogue one there was a reference to the empire studying hyperspace tracking.... Its been a while but didn't Boba Fett track them through hyperspace in Empire? Or did he not need to because they didn't go through hyperspace? I like how the whole plot for that part was the BSG's pilot episode though  i dont think they did
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Post by Lampz on Dec 18, 2017 22:34:26 GMT
OutRosez @iamoutbreak T'Chayda @everyone with the last jedi out, how would you guys rank the series (including rogue one)? I'll tell you after I see it again. that's why i held off for now
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:38:42 GMT
OutRosez @iamoutbreak T'Chayda @everyone how would you rank the series (including rogue one)? dunno maybe caravan of courage empire rotj new hope last jedi rogue one force awakens rots clone wars pm aotc holiday special haven't seen the prequels in abit though, all i remember of aotc is anakin and padme in the country and horrible diagloue. i barely remember rots either but i remember at the time thinking it was a big improvement. pm i remember the most of them and while it has some of the worst of the prequels it also has some cool shit mixed in looks wise and fight wise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:40:26 GMT
oh wow saw that in rogue one there was a reference to the empire studying hyperspace tracking.... Its been a while but didn't Boba Fett track them through hyperspace in Empire? Or did he not need to because they didn't go through hyperspace? I like how the whole plot for that part was the BSG's pilot episode though  dunno i thought he put a tracker on the ship and tracked that, maybe they can use those if they don't go hyperspace or maybe external trackers have a range or maybe they get picked up by most ships as being there/shut down. i know in the lore though you can't track through hyperspace with the normal tracking shit because that how the rebellion fought a guerilla war in the first place
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Post by Knicks101 on Dec 18, 2017 22:49:52 GMT
New Hope Empire Jedi Force Awakens Last Jedi Rogue One Phantom Clones
Leia soaring through the air and some of the dialogue in last jedi was just as corny as anything in the prequels.
Last Jedi felt like a generic action movie that took place in the star wars universe and not an actual star wars movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:58:32 GMT
I enjoyed last jedi but i'm really looking forward to a trilogy with new characters and new story line set in the universe
alot of the best EU stuff was stories away from the main cast or in totally different time periods
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Post by bladefd on Dec 27, 2017 7:50:57 GMT
Just saw star wars.
Technicality wise, it was a very good movie. Directing, production, cgi, cinematography even, very good. Acting was bit lacking but you know what, it was good enough. If we base it just on what I said so far, it's an A movie. Just misses out on A+ due to the acting.
Now do you know why it is a C+ movie? The story depth. Goes directly to the writing crew. I thought they completely ruined Luke Skywalker, and they just didn't get a feel for his personality. Luke is not one to give up completely like that. The Luke I know would have gone out, scouring the galaxy for why the jedi way keeps failing and indirectly giving birth to these dark sith lords, why it failed in pinpointing Palpatine. Perhaps it was something in the jedi teaching that was an issue and he realizes that from the very first jedi temple. But NONE of it happened. Luke ends up there because he gave up. He closed himself off from the force and just gave up. That ain't the Luke Skywalker I know.
And Snoke? WTF. He didn't sense Kylo Ren is on the verge of turning on him? Snoke looked so powerful reading Kylos mind before, controlled the admiral from vast distances away early in the movie, mindfucking Rey to figure out Lukes location, etc yet Kylo kills him that easily? Unbelievable. Writers built up Snoke in episode 7 and earlier in episode 8 beginning for THAT?
Where do you even go from here? Luke and Snoke are out of the picture. Luke can still show up in Reys mind like Yoda, but he can't come to the rescue or physically train Rey like a master and padawan. The jedi religion is truly dead with Luke. The original teachings were burned down too by Master Yoda there. That's it with traditional style Jedi?? Writers.....
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Post by bladefd on Dec 27, 2017 8:01:30 GMT
Kylo is everything Vader wanted to be but couldn't. And he still has both hands attached with a cool scar to boot. Vader would destroy current Kylo Ren. Kylo would be outclassed by the chosen one. Now Kylo could improve his skills. Who trains him to reach Vader levels? He isn't there yet. Remember, at Kylos age, Anakin was a key to dismantling the Jedi temple on Coruscant. Anakin was close in skill to legendary Obi-Wan, who was one of the top jedi knights in his prime. Anakin was a big part in the Clone Wars as well, which speaks of tremendous war experience. Kylo lost to an untrained Rey using the light saber for her first time. Vader/Anakin was waaaaaaaay ahead of Kylo Ren by this age.
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Post by bladefd on Dec 27, 2017 8:09:27 GMT
The only truly bad thing was space wizard Leia which is worse than ANYTHING Lucas ever did, fight me Jedis have the power to create a force bubble around them to resist the effects of their surroundings for a short time. That was completely within bounds with the power of a Jedi.
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Post by bladefd on Dec 27, 2017 8:18:56 GMT
Also how is Chris Terrio still involved in this? He's had a good movie that Ben Affleck probably wrote more of than he did. A movie that people only like the extended cut of, and a movie critics hated while fans seemingly liked, although i'm pretty sure Whedon had more to do with that than Terrio did. Disney what you doing? I'm not even that keen on JJ being back, I mean I like him and all and TFA is fine but meh. JJ Abrams and crew did a better job on writing for episode 7. Episode 8 writing was bit lacking.
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