if anything, they could've done snoke's death a bit better

he kind of just died like a bitch

im fine with him dying though

Snokes death was okay in my books. His death really showcased Kylo's power. Kylo disguised his true intentions/feelings and made Snoke believe he was completely committed to Snokes cause. While doing this he was actually preparing Snokes death with the light sabre.
Kylo the boss.

Snoke died because of his hubris. Dumb alien. He deserved to have been killed.

unlimited powah

people actually calling this the worst star wars movie ever and an abomination

gonna have to avoid discussion on this for a while, not saying it was perfect but that's some crazy hyperbole

I've read that a lot of people think Johnson ruined Star Wars and there were too many girls in it

Just wait till the next one when Rey becomes the ultimate Mary Sue by somehow being a Jedi Master despite not ever really having done anything herself. She didn't really beat Kylo in the forest but he was already injured anyway, she's almost caved to the dark side several times, she didn't kill Snoke, didn't bring Ben back to the light, didn't bring Luke back to the galaxy although you can debate that I guess, and....her biggest accomplishment is either convincing James Bond to free in TFA or lifting a lot of rocks with the force. 

people are saying luke had a lot more training in the ot because he ran a few laps with yoda on his back and lifted a couple rocks

Yeah I mean Luke kind of did more but they've accomplished about the same. Luke lost to Vader way worse than she did to Kylo. They both lifted some rocks. They had some help defeating the "big bad" emperor/snoke with vader/Kylo. I mean its basically the same shit for a new generation anyway for these first two films, so its whatever. But people are gonna be so fucking furious to see her presumably training padawans and shit in IX I guess you could make the argument that by losing his hand to Vader, and the shocking revelation thats his father, Luke was more trained, on an emotional/mental scale, than she has been but still. 

I get scores around 8, maybe even 7.5 but anything below that and im like wtf. The only truly bad thing was space wizard Leia which is worse than ANYTHING Lucas ever did, fight me, but everything else is just nitpicky stuff that's pretty subjective. I mean we're arguing about a franchise that has 9 movies and 2 are heavily criticized, an okay one, 2 so-sos, 2 good ones, and 1 great one before this one which is whatever it ultimately winds up being. I'm comfortable in saying its at least OT quality. It is probably more than that but I want to see it again before I make my final decision on a score/where I'd rank it. But as a whole I mean I'd argue that the Fast and the Furious franchise has more good or better movies than Star Wars has at this point in one less movie

When the first 2 movies especially are panned, and there's handful of okay or so-so movies you can't really say the franchise is destroyed

i agree

i dont want to focus on the negatives, but space leia and rose/finn were my only real problems with the film, and space leia is only one dumb scene that doesnt really affect the narrative at all

I agree.

The Finn/Rose scenes were okay and it would have paid off with Finn dying, but they would have never had the balls to do that.

too many strong women

yeah, i was actually happy to see her get sucked into space at first

now im sad because she's been built up so much and had so many things to do in this that it's gonna suck not seeing her get a proper farewell in the next one

I'm surprised there isn't an outcry from the ethnic characters slowly being introduced.

SAME!

That whole scene was badass though. Kylo tricking him, basically Snoke narrating his own death, then the team up, wowowowowowow. And then the talk afterwards about how they need to abandon the old ways basically set up the rest of the movie/probably future of the franchise wowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowow.