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Post by Last Stand on Mar 26, 2016 18:55:50 GMT
Bulls are dead! DEAD! *rocks back and forth in a corner, praying for this to be true* quit being scared of the bulls and face the real reason you're afraid your team will lose to the 7th seed regardless That's common knowledge. Only thing remains is when they eventually get relocated.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 19:00:30 GMT
I swear to all the Gods, Legend, just stawp!
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Post by Tom Is Dead on Mar 26, 2016 19:02:29 GMT
I don't think adding Melo would have made the Bulls that much better.
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Post by Last Stand on Mar 26, 2016 19:33:57 GMT
I swear to all the Gods, Legend, just stawp!
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Post by Buck on Mar 26, 2016 19:37:16 GMT
i still think the bulls make it over the pistons, but cleveland's gonna massacre them, dysfunction and all.
idk why raps fans are scared of the bulls, regular season h2h doesn't mean shit. butler and gasol are breaking down by the game, rose is balling but not at the level where he can win a series on his own.
they should be worried about the pacers though, paul george CAN win a series on his own if he gets hot. and monta isn't to be fucked with.
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Post by Last Stand on Mar 26, 2016 19:40:09 GMT
i still think the bulls make it over the pistons, but cleveland's gonna massacre them, dysfunction and all. idk why raps fans are scared of the bulls, regular season h2h doesn't mean shit. butler and gasol are breaking down by the game, rose is balling but not at the level where he can win a series on his own. they should be worried about the pacers though, paul george CAN win a series on his own if he gets hot. and monta isn't to be fucked with either. Being real for a moment, I'm genuinely worried about every single team. Not that I believe they will all beat us, but I don't know. There's always a bad vibe about this team come playoff time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 19:44:38 GMT
i still think the bulls make it over the pistons, but cleveland's gonna massacre them, dysfunction and all. idk why raps fans are scared of the bulls, regular season h2h doesn't mean shit. butler and gasol are breaking down by the game, rose is balling but not at the level where he can win a series on his own. they should be worried about the pacers though, paul george CAN win a series on his own if he gets hot. and monta isn't to be fucked with. They haven't beaten us in 3 years. It's not like it's just regular season. It's recent history. And anytime Tony Snell drops 20 on your ass, you gonna lose. I don't think the Bulls would sweep but it'd be a 5-6 game series probably. I have zero faith in Chicago making the playoffs for two reasons: 1. They're playing mostly bad teams the rest of the way which translates into losses usually. and 2. I never know what team I'm watching especially with Jimmy's health. He shooting 37% since he came back. He's just not healthy. I only know I'm getting three things every game Hoiberg's fuck ups, Rose playing well but not great, and Taj giving it his all every night. Maybe Pau decides he wants to rebound, maybe he doesn't. Maybe Doug goes off for 20, maybe he only gets 5 shots. Maybe Mitotic decides he's not just a chucker, but that only happens every few weeks. Just way too much shit surrounding the team.
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Post by Buck on Mar 26, 2016 19:47:37 GMT
i still think the bulls make it over the pistons, but cleveland's gonna massacre them, dysfunction and all. idk why raps fans are scared of the bulls, regular season h2h doesn't mean shit. butler and gasol are breaking down by the game, rose is balling but not at the level where he can win a series on his own. they should be worried about the pacers though, paul george CAN win a series on his own if he gets hot. and monta isn't to be fucked with either. Being real for a moment, I'm genuinely worried about every single team. Not that I believe they will all beat us, but I don't know. There's always a bad vibe about this team come playoff time. that's fair. but i think this lowry is a different beast from last year..when he was hurting in the playoffs iirc. he's not just that short dude that sucks to play against, he's a legit franchise PG this year and i like him against any player in the east after lebron.
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Post by Last Stand on Mar 26, 2016 19:54:08 GMT
Being real for a moment, I'm genuinely worried about every single team. Not that I believe they will all beat us, but I don't know. There's always a bad vibe about this team come playoff time. that's fair. but i think this lowry is a different beast from last year..when he was hurting in the playoffs iirc. he's not just that short dude that sucks to play against, he's a legit franchise PG this year and i like him against any player in the east after lebron. His sidekick is important too. He's been the best player in the playoffs the last 2 years, although the Wizards series wasn't really saying much.
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Post by Buck on Mar 26, 2016 19:56:45 GMT
i still think the bulls make it over the pistons, but cleveland's gonna massacre them, dysfunction and all. idk why raps fans are scared of the bulls, regular season h2h doesn't mean shit. butler and gasol are breaking down by the game, rose is balling but not at the level where he can win a series on his own. they should be worried about the pacers though, paul george CAN win a series on his own if he gets hot. and monta isn't to be fucked with. They haven't beaten us in 3 years. It's not like it's just regular season. It's recent history. And anytime Tony Snell drops 20 on your ass, you gonna lose. I don't think the Bulls would sweep but it'd be a 5-6 game series probably. I have zero faith in Chicago making the playoffs for two reasons: 1. They're playing mostly bad teams the rest of the way which translates into losses usually. and 2. I never know what team I'm watching especially with Jimmy's health. He shooting 37% since he came back. He's just not healthy. I only know I'm getting three things every game Hoiberg's fuck ups, Rose playing well but not great, and Taj giving it his all every night. Maybe Pau decides he wants to rebound, maybe he doesn't. Maybe Doug goes off for 20, maybe he only gets 5 shots. Maybe Mitotic decides he's not just a chucker, but that only happens every few weeks. Just way too much shit surrounding the team. fair enough. the reason i think the bulls make it has less to do with the bulls and more to do with the pistons schedule, in their next 9 they face all of OKC, cleveland, miami twice, atlanta, washington, your own bulls, dallas, and orlando. orlando is literally the only team there that they are definitively better than. they won't do it, but realistically all 8 of those other games are very losable. i would just rest butler against orlando tonight tbh, honestly with the way the bulls play against bad teams the result is likely to be the same whether he plays or not. and the next game isn't till monday, that's like 4 good days of rest for butler which would be huge. people will scoff at it but i think the noah loss hurts a lot, not really because of what he brought as a player (though he was playing better before he went down) but this bulls team just doesn't have the same fire they usually do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 20:00:45 GMT
They haven't beaten us in 3 years. It's not like it's just regular season. It's recent history. And anytime Tony Snell drops 20 on your ass, you gonna lose. I don't think the Bulls would sweep but it'd be a 5-6 game series probably. I have zero faith in Chicago making the playoffs for two reasons: 1. They're playing mostly bad teams the rest of the way which translates into losses usually. and 2. I never know what team I'm watching especially with Jimmy's health. He shooting 37% since he came back. He's just not healthy. I only know I'm getting three things every game Hoiberg's fuck ups, Rose playing well but not great, and Taj giving it his all every night. Maybe Pau decides he wants to rebound, maybe he doesn't. Maybe Doug goes off for 20, maybe he only gets 5 shots. Maybe Mitotic decides he's not just a chucker, but that only happens every few weeks. Just way too much shit surrounding the team. fair enough. the reason i think the bulls make it has less to do with the bulls and more to do with the pistons schedule, in their next 9 they face all of OKC, cleveland, miami twice, atlanta, washington, your own bulls, dallas, and orlando. orlando is literally the only team there that they are definitively better than. they won't do it, but realistically all 8 of those other games are very losable. i would just rest butler against orlando tonight tbh, honestly with the way the bulls play against bad teams the result is likely to be the same whether he plays or not. and the next game isn't till monday, that's like 4 good days of rest for butler which would be huge. people will scoff at it but i think the noah loss hurts a lot, not really because of what he brought as a player (though he was playing better before he went down) but this bulls team just doesn't have the same fire they usually do. While I don't disagree on the schedule I wouldn't be surprised if the Bulls went 3-7 in their next 10 despite the schedule being fairly easy. Agreed on Butler and Noah.Noah's defense is vastly missed. Taj is the only decent defender on a consistent basis, and they miss his infectious enthusiasm/heart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 14:54:28 GMT
UPDATE
1. Cleveland Cavaliers (54-22) O GB 2. Toronto Raptors (51-25) 3 GB 3. Charlotte Hornets (44-31) 9.5 GB 4. Atlanta Hawks (45-32) 9.5 GB 5. Boston Celtics (44-32) 10 GB 6. Miami Heat (44-32) 10 GB 7. Detroit Pistons (41-36) 13.5 GB 8. Indiana Pacers (40-36) 14 GB ------------------------------------- 9. Chicago Bulls (38-38) 16 GB 10. Washington Wizards (37-39) 17 GB
Wizards and Bulls aren't out of it, but they'll both need a really strong push or IND/DET to end the season poorly. Right now we're looking at
(1)Cavs vs (8)Pacers (2)Raptors vs (7)Pistons (3)Hornets vs (6)Heat (4)Hawks vs (5) Celtics
Raptors/Pistons and Hawks Celtics are both series that should be really fun
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Post by ballup on Apr 3, 2016 16:12:05 GMT
3 through 6 seeds are going to be flip flopping for the next 2 weeks. Notable opponents for each team: Hawks - Raptors, Celtics, Cavs, Wizards Hornets - Cavs, Raptors, Wizards, Celtics Heat - Pistons x2, Bulls, Celtics Celtics - Hawks, Hornets, Heat As of now, the tiebreakers between these four are as follows: - Whichever one of those teams, excluding the Celtics, wins their division will have the 3rd seed as long as the Celtics don't have a better record. Raptors have already clinched the Atlantic.
- Celtics have the record tiebreaker over Hornets and Heat definitively. They are down 2-1 to the season series to the Hawks, but have 1 more game to tie the series. The Celtics have a better divisional record than the Hawks no matter the rest of the schedule. Hawks will have the tiebreaker unless the Celtics win @ Atl.
- The Heat have the tiebreaker record over the Hawks and tied with the Hornets. That cannot be changed.
- The Hornets, however, have the division record over the Heat regardless of the rest of the schedule. This means the Heat will be a lower seed than the Hornets unless they have a better overall record.
- The Hawks have the tiebreaker record over the Hornets.
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Post by WayOfWad3 on Apr 3, 2016 16:56:35 GMT
3 through 6 seeds are going to be flip flopping for the next 2 weeks. Notable opponents for each team: Hawks - Raptors, Celtics, Cavs, Wizards Hornets - Cavs, Raptors, Wizards, Celtics Heat - Pistons x2, Bulls, Celtics Celtics - Hawks, Hornets, Heat As of now, the tiebreakers between these four are as follows: - Whichever one of those teams, excluding the Celtics, wins their division will have the 3rd seed as long as the Celtics don't have a better record. Raptors have already clinched the Atlantic.
- Celtics have the record tiebreaker over Hornets and Heat definitively. They are down 2-1 to the season series to the Hawks, but have 1 more game to tie the series. The Celtics have a better divisional record than the Hawks no matter the rest of the schedule. Hawks will have the tiebreaker unless the Celtics win @ Atl.
- The Heat have the tiebreaker record over the Hawks and tied with the Hornets. That cannot be changed.
- The Hornets, however, have the division record over the Heat regardless of the rest of the schedule. This means the Heat will be a lower seed than the Hornets unless they have a better overall record.
- The Hawks have the tiebreaker record over the Hornets.
Awesome facts, thanks for posting. However while the Hornets have done a great job this season, I feel like no matter what they are going to lose on the first round. I can't favor them over a revamped Heat in a 7-game series, the Celtics are fantastic and the Hawks are clicking at just the right time. Their seeding is irrelevant, at least to me because I expect a series loss. I feel though like the Heat and Celtics will face off in the first round, I'm just not sure which seeding it will be. I feel like Boston would have the edge, but Miami might get Bosh back so anything can happen
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Post by Last Stand on Apr 3, 2016 23:07:48 GMT
With the Hornets loss, Raptors clinch no worse than a Top 2 seed. They will probably rest their guys a bit more down the stretch.
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Post by ballup on Apr 9, 2016 21:43:37 GMT
Remaining schedules for the East quagmire: Hawks - Celtics, Cavs, Wizards Celtics - Hawks, Hornets, Heat Heat - Magic, Pistons, Celtics Hornets - Wizards, Celtics, Magic Hawks will be guaranteed the 3rd seed as long as - They at least tie the Celtic's record
- They win at least 2 of their remaining games
The Celtics will remain the 4th seed unless - They get a better record than the Hawks for these next 3 games
- They go 1-2 and either the Heat or Hornets go 3-0
- They go 0-3 and either the Heat or Hornets go 2-1
The Heat can jump to the 3rd seed if they can at least tie the Hawk's record and tie the Celtic's record. The Hornets cannot be higher than the 5th seed if both the Celtics and Hawks win 2 of their 3 games.
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Post by Last Stand on Apr 11, 2016 15:03:40 GMT
If the Cavs lose their final 2 games and the Raps win their final 2 games, the Raptors get the 1st seed due to having the tie breaker over the Cavs. It's not out of the question. Hawks and Pistons are going to bring their A game vs the Cavs and probably want better positioning. Raptors have the Sixers and Nets to finish the season... But knowing LeBron....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 15:18:04 GMT
I think they'll rest against Detroit. So if they can just drop their next game....
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Post by ballup on Apr 11, 2016 16:40:07 GMT
Hawks can secure the 3rd seed with a win and a Heat loss.
Celtics need 1 win to secure the 5th seed, 2 for 4th seed. They can secure the 3rd seed if they win their next 2 games, the Hawks lose their next 2, and as long as the Heat don't win their next 2.
Heat need 2 wins and a Hawks loss to win the 3rd seed. The Heat secure the 5th seed with a win. The Heat can be the 4th seed if they win one game, the Hawks lose 2 games, and the Celtics win 2 games.
Hornets are locked into the 6th seed with a loss. They have no tiebreakers against either the Celtics or Heat.
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Post by jimmymcadocious on Apr 11, 2016 22:37:26 GMT
I don't watch too much dleague. Is there any reason I shouldn't expect the LeBrons to come out of the East again?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 22:40:08 GMT
I don't watch too much dleague. Is there any reason I shouldn't expect the LeBrons to come out of the East again? ::oldlol:: You should at least expect them to struggle in the semi and conference finals. Toronto matches up well and has out played the cavs this year. I could see the Celtics giving them a host of problems too
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 0:33:25 GMT
Cavs or Raps.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 5:37:45 GMT
So what's the tiebreaker scenario for if all 4 have the same record?
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Apr 12, 2016 19:07:49 GMT
TIEBREAKER BASIS WHEN MORE THAN TWO TEAMS ARE TIED:
(1B) Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division) (2B) Better winning percentage in games against each other (3B) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division) (4B) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference (5B) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position) (6B) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (point differential).
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Post by ballup on Apr 12, 2016 20:38:01 GMT
So what's the tiebreaker scenario for if all 4 have the same record? Only way possible for that to happen is: a) Heat win against Pistons b) Hawks lose their next game c) Celtics beat Heat tomorrow d) Hornets win their next game In the event of this, it comes down to head to head record against the other tied teams: 3) Celtics 6-4 (60% win rate) 4) Hawks 7-5 (58% win rate) 5) Heat 5-6 (45% win rate) 6) Hornets 4-7 (36% win rate)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 22:16:07 GMT
So what's the tiebreaker scenario for if all 4 have the same record? Only way possible for that to happen is: a) Heat win against Pistons b) Hawks lose their next game c) Celtics beat Heat tomorrow d) Hornets win their next game In the event of this, it comes down to head to head record against the other tied teams: 3) Celtics 6-4 (60% win rate) 4) Hawks 7-5 (58% win rate) 5) Heat 5-6 (45% win rate) 6) Hornets 4-7 (36% win rate) Oh very nice and informative ty
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Post by Last Stand on Apr 13, 2016 1:55:30 GMT
Cavaliers vs Pistons and Raptors vs Pacers confirmed for the 1st round
Shall I proceed in making game threads for each ?
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Post by Tom Is Dead on Apr 13, 2016 8:08:26 GMT
TIEBREAKER BASIS WHEN MORE THAN TWO TEAMS ARE TIED: (1B) Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division) (2B) Better winning percentage in games against each other (3B) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division) (4B) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference (5B) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position) (6B) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (point differential). Wow, didn't know point differential could be used for this stuff
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Post by Last Stand on Apr 13, 2016 10:58:47 GMT
Point differential makes a lot of sense, but I'm wondering if SRS would make more sense considering it takes into account SOS (Strength Of Schedule) ?
Considering how much more the NBA is now relying on tracking, analytics, and advanced stats more so these days, it would make more sense perhaps...
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Post by Last Stand on Apr 13, 2016 14:07:58 GMT
Looking at the 3-6 seeding for the East tonight.
Miami Heat
No. 3 if they beat the Celtics OR the Hawks lose to the Washington Wizards
No. 5 if they lose to the Celtics, the Hawks beat the Wizards, and the Hornets lose to the Orlando Magic
No. 6 if they lose to the Celtics, the Hawks beat the Wizards, and the Hornets beat the Magic
Atlanta Hawks
No. 3 if they beat the Wizards and the Heat lose to the Celtics
No. 4 if they lose to the Wizards OR the Heat beat the Celtics
Boston Celtics
No. 4 if they beat the Heat and the Hawks beat the Wizards
No. 5 if they lose to the Heat and the Hornets lose to the Magic OR they beat the Heat and the Hawks lose to the Wizards
No. 6 if they lose to the Heat and the Hornets beat the Magic
Charlotte Hornets
No. 5 if they beat the Magic and the Heat beat the Celtics OR if they beat the Magic, the Celtics beat the Heat, and the Hawks beat the Wizards
No. 6 if they lose to the Magic OR they beat the Magic, the Celtics beat the Heat, and the Hawks lose to the Wizards
So, Charlotte will be the only team that can't get HCA for the first round.
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