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Post by Tom Is Dead on Mar 18, 2016 5:01:49 GMT
Who you got?
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 18, 2016 5:02:48 GMT
Nash > Parker, both > Wade.
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Mar 18, 2016 5:03:53 GMT
Nash.
Imagine Nash with the Spurs. Good lord.
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 18, 2016 5:06:10 GMT
Nash's offensive impact is insanely underrated. I don't think that any other player has ever had the same kind of impact on a team's offensive production, something that he did with both Dallas and Phoenix.
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Post by Tom Is Dead on Mar 18, 2016 5:15:38 GMT
Nash's offensive impact is insanely underrated. I don't think that any other player has ever had the same kind of impact on a team's offensive production, something that he did with both Dallas and Phoenix. Well he's certainly not rated for his efforts on the defensive end. The jew media keeps telling me this Porker guy is a perennial MVP candidate...yet "Nash" and "MVP" in the same sentence always seems to lead to controversy. |
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 18, 2016 5:19:18 GMT
Nash's offensive impact is insanely underrated. I don't think that any other player has ever had the same kind of impact on a team's offensive production, something that he did with both Dallas and Phoenix. Well he's certainly not rated for his efforts on the defensive end. The jew media keeps telling me this Porker guy is a perennial MVP candidate...yet "Nash" and "MVP" in the same sentence always seems to lead to controversy. I think that his defensive deficiencies are fairly common knowledge. Now, he's not a truly terrible defender, but he's definitely a bad one. Nash's MVPs generate controversy because of the players he took them from imo. |
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Post by 寂しいマグナエクス on Mar 18, 2016 5:23:23 GMT
Well he's certainly not rated for his efforts on the defensive end. The jew media keeps telling me this Porker guy is a perennial MVP candidate...yet "Nash" and "MVP" in the same sentence always seems to lead to controversy. I think that his defensive deficiencies are fairly common knowledge. Now, he's not a truly terrible defender, but he's definitely a bad one. Nash's MVPs generate controversy because of the players he took them from imo. Just Kobe really. I think he deserved it in 07 too, but it should've been given to Kobe for his historical 06 season. |
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 18, 2016 5:34:58 GMT
I think that his defensive deficiencies are fairly common knowledge. Now, he's not a truly terrible defender, but he's definitely a bad one. Nash's MVPs generate controversy because of the players he took them from imo. Just Kobe really. I think he deserved it in 07 too, but it should've been given to Kobe for his historical 06 season. My issue with '06 Kobe is the team record. As far as an individual scoring season, truly historic, but that didn't translate into wins while Nash lost Phoenix's leading scorer and was still able to run a #1 offense and get to 54 wins. Maybe Kobe was better than Nash that year but it not translating into wins hurts him as the MVP, fairly or unfairly, has been closely linked to team record. |
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Post by 寂しいマグナエクス on Mar 18, 2016 5:42:06 GMT
Just Kobe really. I think he deserved it in 07 too, but it should've been given to Kobe for his historical 06 season. My issue with '06 Kobe is the team record. As far as an individual scoring season, truly historic, but that didn't translate into wins while Nash lost Phoenix's leading scorer and was still able to run a #1 offense and get to 54 wins. Maybe Kobe was better than Nash that year but it not translating into wins hurts him as the MVP, fairly or unfairly, has been closely linked to team record. Players have won MVP with that low of a record before. His team was among the worst in the league. 45 wins with that team was clearly a miracle, while Nash only won 54 IIRC. |
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 18, 2016 5:45:46 GMT
My issue with '06 Kobe is the team record. As far as an individual scoring season, truly historic, but that didn't translate into wins while Nash lost Phoenix's leading scorer and was still able to run a #1 offense and get to 54 wins. Maybe Kobe was better than Nash that year but it not translating into wins hurts him as the MVP, fairly or unfairly, has been closely linked to team record. Players have won MVP with that low of a record before. His team was among the worst in the league. 45 wins with that team was clearly a miracle, while Nash only won 54 IIRC. I think you're right about their records that year. Over the last 10 years or so, record has been very important. Kobe's '08 MVP featured a 58 win team iirc, Dirk's '07 was 65 or something like that, and that trend has continued into recent years. The last MVP to go to a player with an eh record was AI iirc. Nash's '06 case is weaker than his '05 case imo, so I can accept it as being controversial, but I'd still give it to him over Kobe. |
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Post by 寂しいマグナエクス on Mar 18, 2016 5:47:13 GMT
Players have won MVP with that low of a record before. His team was among the worst in the league. 45 wins with that team was clearly a miracle, while Nash only won 54 IIRC. I think you're right about their records that year. Over the last 10 years or so, record has been very important. Kobe's '08 MVP featured a 58 win team iirc, Dirk's '07 was 65 or something like that, and that trend has continued into recent years. The last MVP to go to a player with an eh record was AI iirc. Nash's '06 case is weaker than his '05 case imo, so I can accept it as being controversial, but I'd still give it to him over Kobe. AI won 56 I think, while I think Nash won 54 in 06, so Nash's record was worse. Too lazy to google it though. |
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 18, 2016 5:49:20 GMT
I think you're right about their records that year. Over the last 10 years or so, record has been very important. Kobe's '08 MVP featured a 58 win team iirc, Dirk's '07 was 65 or something like that, and that trend has continued into recent years. The last MVP to go to a player with an eh record was AI iirc. Nash's '06 case is weaker than his '05 case imo, so I can accept it as being controversial, but I'd still give it to him over Kobe. AI won 56 I think, while I think Nash won 54 in 06, so Nash's record was worse. Too lazy to google it though. Nah, you're right, I mixed up the MVP year with some of the more mediocre other ones (as far as record). Anyway though, that just extends the trend of team record being important for the award. The only MVP I can think of who finished with a poor team record was KAJ at some point, I think his team missed the playoffs that year. |
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Post by 寂しいマグナエクス on Mar 18, 2016 5:53:43 GMT
AI won 56 I think, while I think Nash won 54 in 06, so Nash's record was worse. Too lazy to google it though. Nah, you're right, I mixed up the MVP year with some of the more mediocre other ones (as far as record). Anyway though, that just extends the trend of team record being important for the award. The only MVP I can think of who finished with a poor team record was KAJ at some point, I think his team missed the playoffs that year. Kobe was a lot better than everyone else that year in the same way that KAJ was back then. I think he pretty clearly deserved it. I agree with you about Nash mostly, but Kobe was just at another level. |
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Post by Hellfire Missile Pack on Mar 18, 2016 5:55:50 GMT
Parker had one of the GOAT defenders in Tim Duncan. Nash didn't have that. You want to compare Nash and Parker? Place Nash on the Spurs. That's fucking nuts. Nash's defensive woes is going to be masked with Duncan and we all know Nash at least TRIES on defense.
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 18, 2016 5:56:03 GMT
Nah, you're right, I mixed up the MVP year with some of the more mediocre other ones (as far as record). Anyway though, that just extends the trend of team record being important for the award. The only MVP I can think of who finished with a poor team record was KAJ at some point, I think his team missed the playoffs that year. Kobe was a lot better than everyone else that year in the same way that KAJ was back then. I think he pretty clearly deserved it. I agree with you about Nash mostly, but Kobe was just at another level. I get where you're coming from. '06 Kobe was, as far as pure scoring, the best since Jordan and one of the best scoring seasons ever. I can definitely say that it's debatable. |
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Post by Last Stand on Mar 18, 2016 12:36:53 GMT
Nash.
Put him with Tim Duncan for his entire career and he would have won titles too. Holy shit, imagine SA with Nash's offensive capabilities in the 2000's ? Could have probably won more chips, maybe a repeat.
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NASH
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