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Post by Batz on May 29, 2016 3:39:24 GMT
nvm OKC blew it.
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Post by BurningHammer on May 29, 2016 3:41:08 GMT
Total meltdown by Russ and Thunder. Curry delivered.
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Post by jimmymcadocious on May 29, 2016 3:42:44 GMT
What is wrong with KD? Even overlooking the missed shots, this guy is such a turnover machine lately. He can't put the ball on the floor without getting ripped.
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Post by dm on May 29, 2016 3:48:57 GMT
Memorial Day Game 7
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Post by Steve Nash on May 29, 2016 3:51:11 GMT
Thunder might as well blow it up and look to the future, they're not contending in the near future.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 4:14:53 GMT
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Post by althornton on May 29, 2016 4:19:13 GMT
Thunder might as well blow it up and look to the future, they're not contending in the near future. this is a really dumb post
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Post by Steve Nash on May 29, 2016 7:35:24 GMT
Go ahead and explain how blowing the best opportunity they've ever had sets them up for future success against teams that are better than they are, all of which is under the assumption that Durant stays. Barring a miracle in game 7, they've peaked and have made it quite clear that they can't handle pressure.
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Post by Buck on May 29, 2016 8:34:42 GMT
You're underestimating how much potential for internal improvement there is on that roster. Between Adams (22), Kanter (23), Roberson (24), Payne (21), Waiters (24), etc. there is a shit ton of young talent there backing KD and Russ. A Thunder fan on another board mentioned it, but this Thunder team is younger than their 2012 team top to bottom. A year of development is going to a mean a lot on that team considering like half their rotation is young guys still developing.
I wouldn't consider beating a dominant 67 win team and then taking a 73 win team to the absolute limit is a reason to blow it up. For the first full year with this group of guys and coaching staff, they've had a hell of a year. And they're not old at all, they have time.
Also Durant really does look like a guy who spent most of his offseason rehabbing a severe foot injury. I question how much he could work on his handles, jumpshot, etc. So much preparation for NBA seasons comes in the offseason, and Durant has looked ridiculously sloppy with his handles overall scoring arsenal..I'm not going to count out him coming way closer to MVP form next year when he has the summer to focus purely on skill work.
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Post by althornton on May 29, 2016 9:36:34 GMT
Go ahead and explain how blowing the best opportunity they've ever had sets them up for future success against teams that are better than they are, all of which is under the assumption that Durant stays. Barring a miracle in game 7, they've peaked and have made it quite clear that they can't handle pressure. this is such a dumb overreaction to a loss. this is the best team they've ever had and they've played great against the 73 win team for about half the series, and that team is literally the only team that is better than them. so next year they just have to play a little smarter in close games and they have a championship. and even if that problem doesn't ever get fixed u still don't even consider blowing up a team this good. ur reacting as if this team had just gotten swept in the first round. if they lose the series it's disappointing but an incredible season, the second most successful season out of 30 teams. golden state is probably going to win a championship this year and could win it again next year too, does that mean all other 29 teams should just give up and rebuild?
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Post by althornton on May 29, 2016 9:47:47 GMT
after seeing their run in these playoffs the thunder clearly have the fewest flaws of the top contenders. they could use better guards/wings in the rotation but other than that the roster is really strong on both ends. their biggest issues are all execution things. their offense gets stagnant in the 4th quarter and they give away games they should win, so if they fix that who is beating them?
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Post by althornton on May 29, 2016 10:05:31 GMT
You're underestimating how much potential for internal improvement there is on that roster. Between Adams (22), Kanter (23), Roberson (24), Payne (21), Waiters (24), etc. there is a shit ton of young talent there backing KD and Russ. A Thunder fan on another board mentioned it, but this Thunder team is younger than their 2012 team top to bottom. A year of development is going to a mean a lot on that team considering like half their rotation is young guys still developing. I wouldn't consider beating a dominant 67 win team and then taking a 73 win team to the absolute limit is a reason to blow it up. For the first full year with this group of guys and coaching staff, they've had a hell of a year. And they're not old at all, they have time. Also Durant really does look like a guy who spent most of his offseason rehabbing a severe foot injury. I question how much he could work on his handles, jumpshot, etc. So much preparation for NBA seasons comes in the offseason, and Durant has looked ridiculously sloppy with his handles overall scoring arsenal..I'm not going to count out him coming way closer to MVP form next year when he has the summer to focus purely on skill work. it's weird how people don't get this. the warriors success is all happening because of that organization's player development. the three key guys have all developed so much over the past 3 years and for steph it's happening in his mid-late 20s
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Post by dunksby on May 29, 2016 10:08:00 GMT
Super Jumbo Jets are around like kites and the NBA still has conferences like teams still travel by coach...
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Post by jimmymcadocious on May 29, 2016 23:04:41 GMT
I do wonder what losing this series (if they do) means for Durant. Let's assume he actually is going to explore his options. Choking away a 3-1 lead can either be viewed as "we're right on the doorstep" or "the last straw'. And there's so many things to consider. Is Billy Donovan the difference? Because if they choked this lead away with Brooks as their coach then I might lean towards the latter of the options, considering they have already been further in the playoffs under Brooks. Then there's always the Westbrook factor.
And genuinely what realistic landing spots can Durant go to where he will definitely have a better shot at a championship?
If he went to his hometown and played under his former coach, is Wall/Beal/Durant/Morris/Gortat better than OKC's current team? I don't think so... And while the East is significantly weaker (imo) still only one team comes out of each conference and that Wiz lineup isn't better than the Cavs.
I forget the other speculated spots. Like in Miami with Dragic, Wade, Bosh, and Whiteside. Really nice looking lineup, actually. Still don't think it's better than what OKC has.
The only teams I can think of are the two teams already probably better than OKC now with Durant: Cavs and Warriors. And maybe possibly the Clippers and Spurs (better with Durant, not better than OKC now). Options are limited and I don't know how all this stuff would work out salary wise either.
I think Durant stays, btw. I actually would be more worried about Westbrook leaving if I were an OKC fan.
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Post by Buck on May 30, 2016 2:22:16 GMT
You're underestimating how much potential for internal improvement there is on that roster. Between Adams (22), Kanter (23), Roberson (24), Payne (21), Waiters (24), etc. there is a shit ton of young talent there backing KD and Russ. A Thunder fan on another board mentioned it, but this Thunder team is younger than their 2012 team top to bottom. A year of development is going to a mean a lot on that team considering like half their rotation is young guys still developing. I wouldn't consider beating a dominant 67 win team and then taking a 73 win team to the absolute limit is a reason to blow it up. For the first full year with this group of guys and coaching staff, they've had a hell of a year. And they're not old at all, they have time. Also Durant really does look like a guy who spent most of his offseason rehabbing a severe foot injury. I question how much he could work on his handles, jumpshot, etc. So much preparation for NBA seasons comes in the offseason, and Durant has looked ridiculously sloppy with his handles overall scoring arsenal..I'm not going to count out him coming way closer to MVP form next year when he has the summer to focus purely on skill work. it's weird how people don't get this. the warriors success is all happening because of that organization's player development. the three key guys have all developed so much over the past 3 years and for steph it's happening in his mid-late 20s Yeah, the Warriors improvement has been almost entirely development based. The thing OKC should be ecstatic about is imo the Warriors' internal improvement is very close to plateauing, I don't see any of their main rotation significantly improving like they have been the past few years. Klay could tighten up his handles and Dray could refine his 3PT range, but all in all I think most of their main rotation is more or less who they are. Roberson is key for OKC, he brings sooo much to that team outside of offense but his garbage jumpshot holds him back. If he just becomes a consistent 35%+ 3PT shooter, he could play massive minutes and that would completely change that team. Having an elite defense/hustle wing who can space the floor takes that team to 65-70 win level imo, and we saw that these playoffs when he's hitting his shots.
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Post by Buck on May 30, 2016 2:31:53 GMT
I do wonder what losing this series (if they do) means for Durant. Let's assume he actually is going to explore his options. Choking away a 3-1 lead can either be viewed as "we're right on the doorstep" or "the last straw'. And there's so many things to consider. Is Billy Donovan the difference? Because if they choked this lead away with Brooks as their coach then I might lean towards the latter of the options, considering they have already been further in the playoffs under Brooks. Then there's always the Westbrook factor. And genuinely what realistic landing spots can Durant go to where he will definitely have a better shot at a championship? If he went to his hometown and played under his former coach, is Wall/Beal/Durant/Morris/Gortat better than OKC's current team? I don't think so... And while the East is significantly weaker (imo) still only one team comes out of each conference and that Wiz lineup isn't better than the Cavs. I forget the other speculated spots. Like in Miami with Dragic, Wade, Bosh, and Whiteside. Really nice looking lineup, actually. Still don't think it's better than what OKC has. The only teams I can think of are the two teams already probably better than OKC now with Durant: Cavs and Warriors. And maybe possibly the Clippers and Spurs (better with Durant, not better than OKC now). Options are limited and I don't know how all this stuff would work out salary wise either. I think Durant stays, btw. I actually would be more worried about Westbrook leaving if I were an OKC fan. Durant would get brutalized by the media if he left, considering them losing this series is largely if not mainly his fault. Pretty much everyone else has pulled their weight or even more. Durant was straight garbage last game and pretty much all playoffs has been sloppy as hell offensively, not near usual Durant efficiency. It's not a Lebron scenario where he took them as far as he could, Durant has had every opportunity to not just beat the Warriors but stomp the shit out of them. He's in a really weird spot because choking this series would undoubtedly make him consider leaving, but OKC has proven even with him underperforming offensively that they have all the pieces/ability to be as dominant as anyone so it wouldn't be a great look at all.
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Post by Last Stand on May 30, 2016 14:48:18 GMT
What would blowing it up achieve ?
This is a young core and you have 2 Top 5 players in the world who can effect the game in various ways. You compete for the next 10 years with this core and enjoy the ride. The Thunder might never have a core this this good again.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 21:27:51 GMT
My friend bet me 50 dollars okc will win. Easiest bet ever.
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Post by althornton on May 31, 2016 3:17:48 GMT
What would blowing it up achieve ? This is a young core and you have 2 Top 5 players in the world who can effect the game in various ways. You compete for the next 10 years with this core and enjoy the ride. The Thunder might never have a core this this good again. yeah obviously chrome just isn't very bright i guess
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Post by jimmymcadocious on May 31, 2016 3:25:48 GMT
OKC quit with the game still in reach in the 4th quarter of a Game 7 WCF.
Wow. See ya, KD.
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Post by Last Stand on May 31, 2016 3:41:14 GMT
Steph dominated 3 straight elimination games to advance GS to the Finals for a rematch with Cleveland. Unreal to think he's not even a 100% right now.
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Post by althornton on May 31, 2016 3:45:49 GMT
Steph dominated 3 straight elimination games to advance GS to the Finals for a rematch with Cleveland. Unreal to think he's not even a 100% right now. nah klay gets all of the credit for this series he was the only consistently good warrior and those shots in game 6 were what got them to the finals
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